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Dryer - 3 or 4 prong #25418
05/07/03 02:38 PM
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aldav53  Offline OP
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For new installations are you using 4 wire 4 prong plugs, or 3 wire 3 prong?
I've seen dryer recepts with the neutral and ground tied together on a 3 prong plug.


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Re: Dryer - 3 or 4 prong #25419
05/07/03 02:47 PM
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Re: Dryer - 3 or 4 prong #25420
05/07/03 06:36 PM
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Bill Addiss  Offline
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Al,

New installations must be 4 wire.
see 250.142(B)

Bill

Re: Dryer - 3 or 4 prong #25421
05/07/03 09:42 PM
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golf junkie  Offline
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We have been doing 4 wire dryer and range plugs since the '99 revision, I believe.

The owner is usually PO'ed because then we also have to install a new tail on the appliance.

FWIW
GJ

Re: Dryer - 3 or 4 prong #25422
05/08/03 10:17 AM
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aldav53  Offline OP
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I assume this includes range plugs too. Kinda strange that in the years past they were using the ground wire for a current carring conductor for the 120v clocks and timers in these appliances.


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Re: Dryer - 3 or 4 prong #25423
05/08/03 05:13 PM
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caselec  Offline
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aldav53,

The equipment ground conductor has never been permitted to be used as the neutral for range and dryer receptacles. When using a 3-wire receptacle the neutral is used to ground the frame of the range or dryer.

Curt


Curt Swartz
Re: Dryer - 3 or 4 prong #25424
05/08/03 05:45 PM
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iwire  Offline
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In my area normal practice was 10/2 RX for dryers 6/2 AL SE for stoves, the bare was connected to the outlet box as ground and to center terminal of the plug.

For myself I am glad for the change to 4W plugs, if for nothing else but consistency.


Bob Badger
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Massachusetts
Re: Dryer - 3 or 4 prong #25425
05/08/03 07:11 PM
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aldav53  Offline OP
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Yes the 10-2 wire bare were used as grounds but we all know dryers can have 120v timers etc.


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Re: Dryer - 3 or 4 prong #25426
05/08/03 07:54 PM
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Bill Addiss  Offline
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Was 10-2 w/gr ever legal for Dryers?

I thought only SE cable or 10/3 Wo/gr were legit. No books on me at the moment though.
Anybody?

Bill

Re: Dryer - 3 or 4 prong #25427
05/08/03 08:10 PM
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Bill,

I don't believe so. The bare wire in type SE cable is rated for use as a neutral conductor so it was approved for this use. That was the point I was trying to make with my previous post. I have read many comments in forums about why the 4th (neutral) wire is now required to be installed for range and dryer receptacles. A neutral wire has always been required but now a 4th wire (equipment ground) is also required.


[This message has been edited by caselec (edited 05-09-2003).]


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