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re: GFCI receps #24362
04/10/03 08:42 AM
04/10/03 08:42 AM
Doug Scott  Offline OP
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 24
Jonesville, Michigan, USA
Im from Michigan, and as some know we are behind in times in the electrical industry and are still working out of the 1999 NEC.
My question; I am an inspector, I had a contractor call me this morning regarding a new GFCI recep that breaks both the Hot and Neutral which I guess doubles the price of these receps. Question is this required in the 2002 NEC or is this just a manufactures way of increasing profits?

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Re: re: GFCI receps #24363
04/10/03 09:32 AM
04/10/03 09:32 AM
Bill Addiss  Offline
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,890

Welcome, I think many are in the same boat NEC-wise.
NY is on the '99 and was on the '93 last year at this time. [Linked Image]

On the GFCI issue, here's an excerpt from a UL announcement, you can look there for more info. The jist of it is that after Jan 1, 2003 GFCIs have to meet different manufacturing standards.
UL has adopted new and revised requirements for Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupters (GFCIs) that become effective January 1, 2003. Among others, these requirements include enhanced requirements for immunity to voltage surges, resistance to moisture and corrosion, reverse line-load miswiring, and resistance to environmental noise. Though products meeting these revised requirements will soon enter the marketplace, they are not required to have any special markings to distinguish them from models made prior to January 1, 2003.
Click >> more info


[This message has been edited by Bill Addiss (edited 04-10-2003).]

Re: re: GFCI receps #24364
04/10/03 10:07 AM
04/10/03 10:07 AM
classicsat  Offline
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 456
???? GFCIs always bork the hot(s) and neutral.

Re: re: GFCI receps #24365
04/10/03 01:51 PM
04/10/03 01:51 PM
Redsy  Offline
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,056
Bucks County PA
As far as I know, GFCIs always broke hot & neutral. That was always a good clue as to why a ckt. was dead.

Re: re: GFCI receps #24366
04/10/03 09:08 PM
04/10/03 09:08 PM
russ m  Offline
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 169
The reason they are costing more is to recover the cost of research and development. It took them a long time to come up with a GFCI that could not be used when it failed. The old style allowed you to use the receptacle as if it was never a GFCI after it faied.


[This message has been edited by russ m (edited 04-10-2003).]

Re: re: GFCI receps #24367
04/10/03 09:46 PM
04/10/03 09:46 PM
frenchelectrican  Offline
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 939
Wi/ Paris France { France for ...
that true russ: but one catch that i see alot of d.i.y.'s do is mismatch the wiring i have that call quite a few time it sometime they do mess it up good and took me a while to clear it up . that why the U.L. came up a better one i did check most manufactures and almost all came about the same answer with gfci ( updated verson) but hard to tell which one is old verson and new unless you look at the date on back of gfci that kinda annoy me alot

merci marc

Pas de problme,il marche n'est-ce pas?"(No problem, it works doesn't it?)

Re: re: GFCI receps #24368
04/11/03 08:05 AM
04/11/03 08:05 AM
Doug Scott  Offline OP
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 24
Jonesville, Michigan, USA
Thanks for all the replys
Bill your insert was very helpful
Thanks Doug


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