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Feeder OCPD confusion #205562
03/07/12 03:49 PM
03/07/12 03:49 PM
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Up2code  Offline OP
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Existing 600 amp/3 phase/120-208/ 4 wire/ Y service panel board contains an existing 3 pole 400 amp fused switch.

Phase A & Phase B of this 3 Phase, 3 pole 400 amp fused switch have been "double-lugged" to feed...
(2) seperate 200 Amp/120-208 single phase main breaker feeder panels. (The double lugs on this 400 amp fused switch have been approved for the conductors.)

Both SETS of Feeder conductors from 400 amp fused switch (which does have 400 Amp rated fuses) to EACH 200 amp feeder panel are 3/0 THHN copper.

Question #1) Is this setup a NEC violation?

Question #2) Would having Phase A & B feeding one feeder panel AND Phase A & C (out of this 3 pole 400 amp fused switch) feeding second feeder panel make any difference, as far as NEC is concerned??

Confused because in the past, previous AHJ would allow on RESIDENTIAL...
a 400 amp meter base only (no outdoor service disconnect)... to be double-lugged on load side of meter base, with 3/0 copper, to (2) separate 200 amp service panels, as long as outdoor disconnects were not required, due to distance, etc.

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Re: Feeder OCPD confusion [Re: Up2code] #205563
03/07/12 04:37 PM
03/07/12 04:37 PM
Tom  Offline
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As far as I can tell, you are in compliance as long as you meet the tap rules regarding distance.

Q2- since this is 120/208, no difference at all.

Last edited by Tom; 03/07/12 04:37 PM.

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Re: Feeder OCPD confusion [Re: Tom] #205564
03/07/12 07:11 PM
03/07/12 07:11 PM
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Thanks Tom.

Conductors meet conditions of section 240.21(B)(2), so all is well. For some reason, I have a hard time remembering this tap rule. Suppose because I don't run across it that often.

Re: Feeder OCPD confusion [Re: Up2code] #205565
03/07/12 10:45 PM
03/07/12 10:45 PM
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Did you actually check the voltages?

'Cause the Service might be our old classic: the 4-wire, center-tapped 240 VAC delta.

Double-lugging off of the A & B legs would then give you twin 240/120 single phase panels...

Leaving the Main Panel to support 3-phase loads at 240 VAC: A,B,C.

If the Service was truly 208Y120 the impulse would be to split half the daughter load onto A&B and then B&C.

Just sayin'.


Tesla
Re: Feeder OCPD confusion [Re: Up2code] #205566
03/08/12 11:15 AM
03/08/12 11:15 AM
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Tesla, no I did not check the voltages.

I will ask the electrical contractor to verify when I return today. Tag on existing switchboard did say 208Y120. As electrical inspector, I shouldn't "suppose" it is or isn't a certain voltage.

Re: Feeder OCPD confusion [Re: Up2code] #205567
03/08/12 02:24 PM
03/08/12 02:24 PM
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If the panelboard is marked 120/208 and it is connected to 120/240, will you write that up as a violation? I've had to do so a couple of times when electricians have used "loadcenter" grade panels. At least one manufacturer (Cutler Hammer) has 3 phase panels with plug on breakers listed for 120/208 only, if you want a 120/240 3 phase, you have to step up to a bolt on breaker.


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