ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Potseal 10
Recent Posts
Old decora style outlets
by Lostazhell. 04/22/17 07:59 PM
Dimmable LED 2x4 lay in fixtures
by gfretwell. 04/22/17 01:14 PM
Permit Snafus...AHJs and Contractors Jump in
by gfretwell. 04/22/17 01:11 PM
How do you find a good employee?
by HotLine1. 04/22/17 10:44 AM
Electrode boilers question
by SteveFehr. 04/21/17 08:32 AM
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Popular Topics(Views)
234,491 Are you busy
169,151 Re: Forum
162,502 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 60 guests, and 10 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#177543 - 05/06/08 06:47 PM underground conductors failed in RMC - Why?  
WNYJim  Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 39
Rochester, NY, USA
Four years ago I had a call for a free standing meter station that had lost one hot leg.
The 100A supply came down a pole, underground (about 10') and up to the meter channel.
Pulled the wires out and found one of the aluminum conductors was completely separated. The insulation showed no sign of failure (other than some melting right at the break) and the conductor had some oxidation at each open end.
Pulled in new URD and all was fine.
This spring I got a call that it happened again.
So this time the RMC was removed and replaced with PVC.
The break occured in the same spot as before. The conduit was inspected for sharp edges or anything that could have caused this failure.
Just like the first time the wire showed no sign of damage (nicks, cuts, scrapes).
There is very little load on this, it only feeds a 150 watt spot light and a 1/4 HP pump.
The original feed lasted 40 years, the second only 4.
Any ideas?


Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades

#177544 - 05/06/08 07:01 PM Re: underground conductors failed in RMC - Why? [Re: WNYJim]  
LK  Offline
Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,429
New Jersey
We found like that, turned out the homes were moving away from the street, the homes were built on steep hills, and were falling away from the road, pulling the wire apart.


#177545 - 05/06/08 07:29 PM Re: underground conductors failed in RMC - Why? [Re: LK]  
resqcapt19  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,148
IL
Is this in an area that has frost and is the conduit below the frost line? I have seen conductors damaged when the water in the raceway freezes and crushes the insulation.


Don(resqcapt19)

#177546 - 05/06/08 07:31 PM Re: underground conductors failed in RMC - Why? [Re: LK]  
WNYJim  Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 39
Rochester, NY, USA
The break was in the section underground.
The soil is all sand and no strain was found on the wires.
The wires had a nice loop in the meter channel and on the pole there was plenty of slack.
I'm stumped!


#177548 - 05/06/08 08:40 PM Re: underground conductors failed in RMC - Why? [Re: WNYJim]  
walrus  Offline
Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 680
Bangor Me. USA
Frost can play havoc with a pipe full of water?? What about road salt?? and a knick in the insulation

Last edited by walrus; 05/06/08 08:41 PM.

#177553 - 05/07/08 05:54 AM Re: underground conductors failed in RMC - Why? [Re: walrus]  
WNYJim  Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 39
Rochester, NY, USA
It could have been frost but we didn't see any damage to the other wires.
This is located about 100ft from the road and the coduit was in good shape.



Member Spotlight
mersadrad
mersadrad
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 28
Joined: March 2011
Show All Member Profiles 
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.015s Queries: 15 (0.003s) Memory: 0.7747 MB (Peak: 0.9219 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-04-23 19:52:22 UTC