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#168321 - 08/31/07 10:41 PM What's wrong with our tradesmen?  
Clydesdale  Offline
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 138
Ok, so everyone here knows that this website is THE BEST DARN RESOURCE THERE IS!....Next to the NEC of course.(to me both are indespensible) So how is it that EVERYONE I talk to has absolutely no clue that this website exists. Is it because they have reached a point in there career that they just use the knowledge they have gained over X amount of years and don't feel the need to learn any more? Or is it simply because a lot of guys in the trade are just demotivated? Did I just say the same thing two different ways?

Anyway, has anyone else noticed this? Time after time, I ask guys in the trade if they have every visited, and get the same response...."no." Then I'll ask them again...."no...."...and again...."no."...

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#168323 - 08/31/07 10:59 PM Re: What's wrong with our tradesmen? [Re: Clydesdale]  
macmikeman  Offline
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 717
Honolulu, Hawaii
You mean to tell me that there are other electricians out there besides us guys?? smile

#168332 - 09/01/07 08:16 AM Re: What's wrong with our tradesmen? [Re: macmikeman]  
Tom  Offline
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,044
Shinnston, WV USA
Here's life in my state.

Many electricians, once they pass the test & get their license, never crack open a code book again.

For many, this is just a good paying job & they really don't have a lot of interest in the trade other than the paycheck. When they clock out, the last thing they would do is spend time learning about the trade if they aren't getting paid. If they're on the internet at all, it would not accur to them to visit an electrical site.

There are Master Electricians in the area that pay me to put on my inspectors hat & come out to the job to help them figure out how to build a service.

There are other Master Electricians that build the service and then pay me to inspect it, twice. The second trip is the inspection that verifies the violations were corrected.

On the positive side, a few contractors actually pay their electricians wages and pay the registration fee for them to attend our IAEI meetings. I'm amazed at how enthusiastic these electricians are about learning more.

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.

#168347 - 09/01/07 09:05 PM Re: What's wrong with our tradesmen? [Re: Clydesdale]  
Clydesdale  Offline
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 138
Wow, I just read my origional post and can't believe how crazy I sounded. Must have been pretty tired. Thanks for the responses.


#168359 - 09/02/07 10:12 AM Re: What's wrong with our tradesmen? [Re: Clydesdale]  
harold endean  Offline
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,233
Boonton, NJ
Here in my state NJ, that use to be the way. Once you got a license, you never looked in the NEC. Well the state took care of that and makes all Lic. guys to have CEU's. It use to be good when the time was 10 hours for continuing credits, but the electrical organizations screwed that up. They pushed for more hours and now believe it is 35 hours for the CEU's. I don't need them anymore because I am a AHJ. I do however need classes to keep my HHS license.

#168364 - 09/02/07 10:49 AM Re: What's wrong with our tradesmen? [Re: harold endean]  
gfretwell  Offline

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,136
Florida also requires CEUs from building code officials. We need 8 code related, 2 law and 2 ADA, per cycle, minimum.
Since the original rule was 14 code/trade related and polititians/lawyers rammed in the ADA and "law" requirements I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked up the hours to get the code courses back up.

Greg Fretwell

#168365 - 09/02/07 10:57 AM Re: What's wrong with our tradesmen? [Re: gfretwell]  
gfretwell  Offline

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,136
BTW if time is not on your side there are online courses that are accepted by a lot of states. I am taking my "law" and ADA from Red Vector (.com)
It isn't cheap but you can do it on your own schedule.
Those are required CEUs but actually finding a real class is not all that easy.

Greg Fretwell

#168387 - 09/03/07 02:55 AM Re: What's wrong with our tradesmen? [Re: gfretwell]  
Trumpy  Offline

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,223
SI,New Zealand
Just a little question,
What keeps you guys coming back here?.
I've been here for 5+ years (I had a different username before I was Trumpy), I've got nothing but good comments to say about ECN, but one thing I must say, if you look at the Members list here, most of the folks here that have registered take no part in discussions, that is rather sad because we would like their input as well, this place could be a really good resource for electricians, we just need your help.
Folks, If you've registered at least take the oppurtunity to say hello.

#168389 - 09/03/07 07:43 AM Re: What's wrong with our tradesmen? [Re: Trumpy]  
leland  Offline
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 853
Lowell area, Ma. USA
Hello, I'm new here and think it's great.

But I won't take a knife to a gun fight.
If I'm out witted, I like to sit back and learn from the discussion.

However, I do have my strong points and when I see them, I like to chime in,Providing the answer has not already been told.

#168391 - 09/03/07 08:43 AM Re: What's wrong with our tradesmen? [Re: leland]  
GA76JW  Offline
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 193
Suwanee, GA USA
leland pretty much summed it up as well as it can be said.

There are a lot of knowledgeable people here and sometimes that can be intimidating. It's not to say that I don't have anything to contribute, just not on a consistent basis. I do learn just as much by reading here in my spare time as I do at work. So that says something for the quality of posts that are being posted here.

"If common sense was common, everyone would have it"-not sure, someone here

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