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#123555 - 04/09/06 07:16 PM Trade Practice - Why 'Flip' the Recep?  
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I'd like to -again- post a pic especially for the guys who are new to residential work.

Let's forget, for the moment, the silliness of placing a receptacle behind a door. I'd like you to note that one recep has "ground up" while the other is "ground down." Care to guess why this was done?

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#123556 - 04/09/06 07:24 PM Re: Trade Practice - Why 'Flip' the Recep?  
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Politely asked to keep quiet. [Linked Image]

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#123557 - 04/09/06 11:08 PM Re: Trade Practice - Why 'Flip' the Recep?  
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To plug in a window A/C cord?


#123558 - 04/10/06 01:45 AM Re: Trade Practice - Why 'Flip' the Recep?  
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I agree with iwire, it's a switched outlet.


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#123559 - 04/10/06 02:05 AM Re: Trade Practice - Why 'Flip' the Recep?  
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I personally like the idea of flipping switched receptacles; in theory it seems like it would be pretty easy for people to remember that the upside down receptacles are controlled by switches. In practice, the majority of what I hear is: "Whoever put that outlet in doesn't know what they're doing! It's upside down and it doesn't even work!" [Linked Image]

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#123560 - 04/10/06 07:31 AM Re: Trade Practice - Why 'Flip' the Recep?  
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Probably has to do with an angle plug appliance cord that was/will be plugged into it. I personally flipped the receptacle behind my fridge so the cord comes down from the receptacle rather than straight up. I've noticed that most angle plug cords point down when the receptacle is mounted ground down, yet fridges for the most part point up when the receptacles are ground down. (The way that they are supposed to be.)

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#123561 - 04/10/06 08:18 PM Re: Trade Practice - Why 'Flip' the Recep?  
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Bob was quite right...I just asked him to let some of the newer guys take a shot at this first! Thanks, Bob!

I posted it because the idea of flipping the switched receptacle is one of those "trade practices" that almost everyone learns as an apprentice, but is not mentioned in any code book,or DIY manual I've ever seen.

Besides the "it don't work" cmplaint Big John mentioned, I have seen instances where the switched half was fed from a different circuit than the other half- and some maintenance guy, not "in on the secret" just replaced the "non working" receptacle ....with spectacular results when the switch was later flipped!

This, in turn, brins us to point #2: it never hurts to treat every wire as if it were hot- even if you're pretty sure it's dead. There just might be a switch somewhere....


#123562 - 04/10/06 10:41 PM Re: Trade Practice - Why 'Flip' the Recep?  
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Keeping with the flipped receptacles topic, how many of you put the neutral on the top when mounting a receptacle sideways?

In both states Ive worked in (NJ and FL) I have never seen switched receptacles placed ground up.

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#123563 - 04/10/06 11:31 PM Re: Trade Practice - Why 'Flip' the Recep?  
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>>how many of you put the neutral on the top when mounting a receptacle sideways?<<

I do.. it't the way I was taught way back when and I agreed with the rationale behind it and still do, and its just shop practice where I work anyway..


#123564 - 04/12/06 08:13 PM Re: Trade Practice - Why 'Flip' the Recep?  
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I usually flip the recp when its a ac. Im still a little new to residential work and when asked why I flipped it i said because the cord on the ac is upside down. He said ok. Just like the other gentleman said he flips them when its a switched outlet. Im usually in the basement stapleing thats why i usually dont see the recps when he flips them.


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