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#222500 02/14/2024 8:54 PM
by dsk
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Here in Norway it is strictly forbidden to put up a grounded outlet without proper grounding, but if I remember right; the US NEC will not forbid to put up a grounded outlet without a ground wire if you have a GFCI.

Any body who know anything about this, or at least has any ideas?
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#222501 Feb 15th a 06:37 PM
by Bill Addiss
Bill Addiss
Correct, as a replacement:

406.4(D)(2)(c) permits a non-grounding receptacle to be replaced by a grounding type if fed thru a GFCI and clearly marked (after installation) "GFCI Protected" and "No Equipment Ground"
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#222504 Feb 16th a 03:37 PM
by gfretwell
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I always point out that you should verify there is no ground actually present before going this route. There was a period in the post WWII years where they were using an NM cable with a ground but still using non grounded receptacles (NEMA 1-15). In that case the box will be grounded but no provisions for a grounded plug cap. In that case you could use the existing ground for a NEMA 5-15 grounded receptacle. The only question is whether you should trust the "self grounding" type or pigtail a ground in from the box, I prefer the latter.
The other issue is the ground in that old Romex is a reduced size but a 16ga wire should still be sufficient to clear a fault on a 15a breaker.
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#222548 Mar 31st a 03:34 PM
by CoolWill
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I'm not arguing against any of that. I think my point is being missed because I'm not good at explaining things. My point, ultimately, is grounding things doesn't necessarily make them safer, much as ungrounded things doesn't necessarily make them dangerous. I sometimes get calls from customers about home inspections that note ungrounded receptacles. As much as I would like to say just rewire the house, honesty wins. I told one recently that it be ideal to have new wiring, but the reality is that it would be really hard to get shocked on a carpeted floor inside a house.
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#222549 Mar 31st a 08:08 PM
by gfretwell
gfretwell
Add to that most equipment doesn't have a ground pin anyway. wink
I lived the first 15 year of my life with 2 pin (NEMA 1-50) receptacles and never really even noticed.
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