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I'm glad I never had this fight. I really like them common trip, no matter where they go and the installers I worked with had the same opinion ... but they were generally the same guys who would "own" this installation after I left. I have OKed the #12 copper "tie" tho.


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George,
I think that is where some people get confused. A "multiwire circuit" is, for example, a range outlet. It has to be fed with a multipole breaker, on different phases, which opens the two circuits simultaneously. These of course have to be side by side.
A "multiwire branch circuit" is more than one circuit, of different phases, sharing a neutral. For example, general purpose lighting and receptacle loads. These do not have to be side by side in the panel, and do not have to be opened simultaneously.

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The code does address multiwire circuits that also have line to line loads and they are required to be common trip breakers. The real question is a MW that only has line to neutral loads.
I imagine all MW with require common trip some day if the code keeps going the way it does.
Eaton and SqD gotta eat too.


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I was trying to make the point that if a multiwire branch circuit is to be disconnected simultaniously then it either needs to be a common trip breaker or multiple breakers that are side by side and tied together via a "Listed" handle tie. Unless of course you are in Florida.
(gfretwell territory)

Just jerking your chain Greg.

[This message has been edited by George Little (edited 09-20-2006).]


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I may be a rebel but I think a 12 ga wire "formed" around the ends of the breaker handles is a better tie than that little pointy ended thing SqD sells. You sure don't lose it when you disturb the breakers.


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Greg- I think a properly sized nail or a piece of #10 wire workes better than those sq D handle ties for sure and I agree with you. And you are also right- you are a rebel.


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