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#77154 05/08/01 08:47 AM
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I stand corrected!
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Originally posted by resqcapt19:
I don't think the choke effect is a problem when both sides of the circuit are in the same raceway. In a grounding electrode conductor raceway you only have one conductor and the choke effect applies. In a conduit system with the circuit conductors you have both the source of the fault current and the return path in the same raceway.
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#77155 05/08/01 04:57 PM
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Redsy,

On faults in the 100's of amps range the conduit only carries about 20% of the fault current if there is an equipment grounding conductor inside the conduit. When faults reach the range of 10,000+ amps, it appears to be about 50/50. My source is "Soares Book on Grounding" table 11-1 on pg 156(latest edition).

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#77156 05/09/01 06:58 AM
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I guess it all depends on the impedance of the fault path, and how much current will flow during an either high or low impedance fault.
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Originally posted by Tom:
Redsy,

On faults in the 100's of amps range the conduit only carries about 20% of the fault current if there is an equipment grounding conductor inside the conduit. When faults reach the range of 10,000+ amps, it appears to be about 50/50. My source is "Soares Book on Grounding" table 11-1 on pg 156(latest edition).

Tom

#77157 08/06/01 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by golf junkie:
Pete brought up bonding in another thread. 250-148(a) requires the EGC to be connected to the box, however, in Nebraska the AHJ does not have a unanimous opinion that this is a good thing, so most inspectors are not enforcing it. We always run a EGC, even where we would be allowed to use the raceway as the ground.

The company opinion is that bonding at the box creates parallel paths for the ground and that's a bad thing. Bottom line is we don't do it because it takes more time and the AHJ doesn't enforce it.

What do you think?

GJ

I don't see how you can avoid violating the section I have quoted below if you do not bond the EGC to a metallic box.
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Tom

Continuity and Attachment of Equipment Grounding Conductors to Boxes.
Where more than one equipment grounding conductor enters a box, all such conductors shall be spliced or joined within the box or to the box with devices suitable for the use. Connections depending solely on solder shall not be used. Splices shall be made in accordance with Section 110-14(b) except that insulation shall not be required. The arrangement of grounding connections shall be such that the disconnection or the removal of a receptacle, fixture, or other device fed from the box will not interfere with or interrupt the grounding continuity.
Exception: The equipment grounding conductor permitted in Section 250-74, Exception No. 4 shall not be required to be connected to the other equipment grounding conductors or to the box.
(a) Metal Boxes. A connection shall be made between the one or more equipment grounding conductors and a metal box by means of a grounding screw that shall be used for no other purpose, or a listed grounding device.


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