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#73863 01/04/07 08:53 PM
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Would a GFI receptacle care if it were wired on a multi-wire branch circuit...or a better question is would in trip when the shared neutral read an imbalance?

And another question: "is it darkest just before it turns completely black?"

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#73864 01/04/07 09:07 PM
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Would a GFI receptacle care if it were wired on a multi-wire branch circuit...or a better question is would in trip when the shared neutral read an imbalance?

No and no

Roger

#73865 01/04/07 09:11 PM
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"is it darkest just before it turns completely black?"

It would be darkest when it turned completely black. [Linked Image]

Roger

#73866 01/04/07 09:47 PM
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Roger...good answers and both correct. How about trying to protect downstream of a GFI receptacle when installed into a multi-wire circuit? Wouldn't the GFI trip when wired in this location?

#73867 01/04/07 10:24 PM
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Devices fed downstream from a GFCI receptacle would not change it.

Now on the other hand, a MWBC fed from two single pole GFCI breakers would cause tripping from unbalanced current, but we would need to recognize this would not be due to fault currents.

Roger

#73868 01/05/07 12:55 AM
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The GFCI Can be sourced from a shared neutral but you wouldn't be able to share the neutral downstream.
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#73869 01/05/07 04:47 AM
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Here we go.
I was for some years, an Appliance Serviceman, repairing things like M/Wave ovens.
This was a required part of my Electricians Apprenticeship.
Now,
A microwave oven uses a high current and frequency to cook food.
It uses 2.4Ghz as a standard frequency.
The biggest thing to look out for in a microwave oven is not the Magnetron, but the Capacitor that drives the HV side of the magnetron.
Only 2uF, but these capacitors can store up to 1500V, I am not making this up.
If one of these capacitors becomes a dead short, it can have real ramifications for the connected supply.
Not only will it blow a fuse, but it will make a nasty mess of molten copper.
That is why M/Wave ovens are required to be protected by ceramic fuses, not glass type fuses.

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#73870 01/05/07 07:02 AM
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How about trying to protect downstream of a GFI receptacle when installed into a multi-wire circuit?

To do so would be a violation......even if it would work (which it wouldn't).

"300.13(B) Device Removal
In multiwire branch circuits, the continuity of a grounded conductor shall not depend on device connections such as lampholders, receptacles, and so forth, where the removal of such devices would interrupt the continuity."

A pretty common failure becomes a nightmare on a MWBC when the neutral isn't pigtailed. A (often backstab) receptacle removes itself from the circuit, opening the grounded conductor.

As always, improper installation is the culprit.



[This message has been edited by electure (edited 01-05-2007).]

#73871 01/05/07 08:49 AM
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HLC, I think I misunderstood your last post. If a single neutral is used downstream of the GFCI recptacles then I agree with Joe and Electure.

Roger

#73872 01/05/07 08:54 AM
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Is this in a house?.
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
Shared Neutrals in a house?.
Get Real!.

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