I agree with you Harold. I agree with you Zapped. What? Ok the rules are there for a reason. BUT. As zapped said sometimes you have to do what you have to do. I use these breakers and I don't see an issue with installing a few extra circuits over the limit. I know it's a violation but I also know that in a 200 amp panel that is loaded to maybe 50 amps on a good day, there is no safety issue at all. Sorry Harold!