Thanks for the comments I talked to a sales rep thru my electrical dist. a new company called EVERLAST Lighting & he did show me that the lamps ( or bulbs if you prefer ) last 100,000 hours without changing. He is working up a quote although he (the rep) did say that the lights were comparable to 400 W & I have the 1000 W MH over 50' in the air I wonder how bright they will be?