I'm not sure what the rate for 1st yr. Apprentice is in Philly, I'm sure it's at least $10-12, because I know it's more than in my local.

I don't want to start a big pro/con union argument w/ anyone here, as I respect a lot of the knowledge & input, regardless of union/nonunion philosophy. But I'll say this, Mac: You'll get good training, and in 5 years you'll be a Journeyman making a very good rate. Check out your local union hall, it's worth it.