well i came straight in from non union as an A Journeyman. but i know some apprentices who had to take the test twice. i also know some older guys who had to take it more than twice back when they were trying to get in years ago. but the reason i'm writing today is to say once you get in it is alot of hard work to stay in good standing. you can't miss any work because if you get fired as an apprentice you can get booted out of the union. same goes with the schoolwork- is you don't keep your grades up they can boot you out. i know a third year apprentice who just got booted out (of the union meaning he also lost his job) for failing a test when he was on probation for poor grades. of coarse he can appeal the decision. anyways, it does seem like a good program. good luck.