Slumlordworker, Nesparky is right, we live four hours south of Minneapolis / St.Paul area, where there charge out rate is $80+ a hour, union shops also, but the cost of living is extreamly high in the twin cities, and you have to deal with the rat race every day, not for me. The normal charge out rate is $ 33- $ 35 per hour around here. Nesparky, what is your advise on the markup of the vfd?