thanks guys for the help. rich I am in olympia didnt see anything in the WAC even covering art 445. one more question on the 5 foot rule, what if on first loor(grade elevation) ther are no windows but on second floor there is one. other then the fact its probably not a good idea to put it here can one do it and suffice code? this paticular house is on a hill and there is only one practical spot. thanks, h20