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Posted By: electure Terminating PVC - 10/28/04 03:29 AM
How do you terminate underfloor/underground conduits when they come up into an open bottomed enclosure.

Obviously, I think this is not the best way.
Is it a violation?


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Most of the wholesalers I know don't even stock endbells, and it's a very rare thing to find them installed anywhere.
Posted By: dmattox Re: Terminating PVC - 10/28/04 01:02 PM
I've always cut them about that height, but removed any burs and wouldnt leave the sharp edges like they did. I'll flip a coin if I put a coupling on the end. Some inspector might tag you for not protecting the wires I guess, but to me it would be a stretch, its PVC for goodness sake. Worst case, if you ever get tagged, put a PVC Box connector and then a plastic bushing. Have the PVC bushing protect the wires from the PVC pipe! [Linked Image]

But yes, the broken edges in that picture bug me.
Posted By: Ryan_J Re: Terminating PVC - 10/28/04 01:20 PM
How about a plastic bushing on those raceways that contain conductors 4 AWG and larger?

300.4
Posted By: iwire Re: Terminating PVC - 10/28/04 07:48 PM
dmattox
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Some inspector might tag you for not protecting the wires I guess, but to me it would be a stretch,

It is not a stretch, a bushing is required for PVC regardless of the conductor size.


ARTICLE 352 Rigid Nonmetallic Conduit: Type RNC
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352.46 Bushings.
Where a conduit enters a box, fitting, or other enclosure, a bushing or adapter shall be provided to protect the wire from abrasion unless the box, fitting, or enclosure design provides equivalent protection.
Posted By: velect Re: Terminating PVC - 10/28/04 09:41 PM
Please use a saw

110-12
Posted By: pauluk Re: Terminating PVC - 10/28/04 10:28 PM
How about fitting a plastic or metal plate horizontally within the bottom of the enclosure and terminating the conduits with normal fittings through it?

It would mean a lot more work, but it would certainly look neater.
Posted By: arseegee Re: Terminating PVC - 10/29/04 12:15 AM
I always use a male adapter and plastic bushing when stubbing into gear or xfmrs.
Posted By: Nick Re: Terminating PVC - 10/29/04 12:36 AM
I always use end bells.
It's also common to see people run branch conduits into hand holes by wrapping the whole bundle (riser) with duct tape. [Linked Image]
Fat chance you will get any kind of bushing on it after its back filled.
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its PVC for goodness sake
I hear that comment all to often. [Linked Image]
Posted By: John Steinke Re: Terminating PVC - 10/29/04 01:30 AM
I have to say that the code requirement seem superflous; isn't a pvc pipe 'equivalent' in protection to a pvc bushing? Indeed, isn't there mor often sign that the wire insulation abraded the pipe, rather than the reverse?
If this is the worst violation found, I'd have to say "good job!"
Posted By: electure Re: Terminating PVC - 10/29/04 01:46 AM
Sorry, John, I disagree
352.46 ......unless the box, fitting, or enclosure design provides equivalent protection........
I don't see anywhere that it says "conduit"

Sharp edges can cut the insulation (ever cut yourself on PVC? It can be gory).
Posted By: e57 Re: Terminating PVC - 10/29/04 05:04 AM
Bell End is what I call them, maybe thats why I can never get them without a hassle. I go to several diffent supply houses, and none of the counter or will-call guys know where or what they are, I have to walk back and get them myself. "Oh those things"

I wonder what kind of spacing that conduit has below the surface?
Posted By: KennyFrank Re: Terminating PVC - 10/29/04 06:35 PM
Around here, most underground or concrete encased PVC conduit runs are turned up with GRC elbows and appropriate bushings (usually grounding type). If we were to have runs terminated like this...we would likely have to break up the concrete and redo the ends with GRC 90's.
Posted By: John Steinke Re: Terminating PVC - 10/29/04 11:25 PM
I'll defer to electure's experience. I've never been cut by PVC, but I agree that ANY fitting is more sure to have a rounded edge.
Posted By: Nick Re: Terminating PVC - 10/29/04 11:43 PM
These work well too.
(The link is to the EMT version because something is wrong with the page for PVC)
Posted By: iwire Re: Terminating PVC - 10/30/04 12:27 AM
Nick I do not see a temp listing on these.

I am not sure they are listed for the application in Scott's picture.

They are great for voice / data raceways.

part of 300.4(F)
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The insulating fitting or insulating material shall have a temperature rating not less than the insulation temperature rating of the installed conductors.
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