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Posted By: Trumpy Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 07:40 AM
Guys,
In all the time that I've been here at ECN, I've only ever seen vertical Receptacles used in the US.
Here is one of ours used here in New Zealand:

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This is what I'm wondering, do you guys have a Receptacle that is Horizontal?
Like this?:

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Your thoughts?. [Linked Image]

{Thanks to Clipsal.com.au for the pics).


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Posted By: iwire Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 11:07 AM
Yeah Mike we have options. [Linked Image]

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Our receptacles may face any direction.

Bob

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Posted By: IanR Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 11:15 AM
Yes, I have seen a few GFCI outlets that are sideways like the one in your second picture. I don't have a picture handy though. While I have seen GFCI's like that I have never seen just a regular duplex receptacle though.
Posted By: IanR Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 11:21 AM
Check out the triplex outlet on this page: http://www.levitonhelpdesk.com/catalog/
I have never seen one before though.

"Yeah Mike we have options."
Bob
LOL everybody's a comedian [Linked Image]

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Posted By: Trumpy Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 11:33 AM
Thanks Bob,
Oh and by the way,
I don't wan't any Ground up or down comments.
Posted By: iwire Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 11:38 AM
Well no comments but there is also Roger's outlet. [Linked Image]

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Posted By: electure Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 12:50 PM
And there's this: [Linked Image]

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The Biceptacle
Posted By: IanR Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 01:09 PM
electure
Thats a really interesting concept for a receptacle. Still soumething about it just doesn't look right to me. Maybe I just don't like change [Linked Image]
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 04:18 PM
OK, let's give our overseas friend a break here; I don't think the 4-square is used outside the US.

Mike, our basic electrical box is steel, 4" square and maybe 1.5" deep. This box is completely open in the front, and is used together with a "mud ring."
The mud ring comes in three varieties: for one device, for two devices, and with a round opening (for lights). They are made in different depths, to accomodate differing wall thicknesses. Again, our "typical" wall material is drywall- a factory made sheet of paper faced gypsum "plaster." so, the ring is the part that goes through the drywall.

You can mount the ring, and thus the device, in either orientation on the box.


Now, these days homes are often wired using a different sort of box- a plastic one with nails attached to it. This type does not use a "mud ring," and has to be mounted in line with the wall stud- or vertically.

You will note that our receptacles do not have switches mounted with them. This might be why our usual practice is to mount the receptacle vertically- it's just the "normal" way to do it.
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 04:49 PM
They make a 4 plug device that has them indexed 90 degrees around in a circle.

Sorry, I didn't see Bob's picyture, that's the one

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Posted By: Alan Belson Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 05:37 PM
I'm sure I saw an electrician on an American tv show several years ago, bend two metal tabs into a hole in the the sheetrock to fix a receptacle?
Alan
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 06:02 PM
Alan are you talking about a "Madison bar". It is a flat metal strip, used in pairs yto hold a box in a hole on old work.
The long part sits behind the hole against the back of the wall and the 2 tabs bend over the box edge to hold it.
Posted By: Tiger Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 06:04 PM
Often the 4X4 box is a "bracket box" with mounting onto the side of the wood 2X4 (most construction here is wood-framed with drywall). That leaves one side of the box firmly mounted, but sometimes the other side moves or hinges. The tabs were probably "steamboats" which can help firm the loose side to the wall. Usually though, the steamboats are used for "rework" boxes whose only support is the drywall. The top and bottom tabs of the rework box keep it from pushing into the wall, and a steamboat on the two sides keep the box from pulling out of the wall.

Now you're probably REALLY confused. Pictures anyone?

Dave

Dave
Posted By: CRW Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 08:12 PM
Like Bob said, we have 4 options, installing them whichever direction we want. Of course, most are vertical since the single gang nail-on box is vertical, but for some reason most of the receptacles in the Chicagoland area are installed horizontally. When I worked there, they were all that way, except if they were ganged together whith a switch, or another receptacle. And most of them are in 4-square, or 1900 boxes, with mud rings.
Posted By: electure Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/21/05 09:49 PM
We have a lot more than 4 options.

We've got all 360° of options.
Posted By: SvenNYC Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/22/05 01:36 AM
In Mexico we have this device made by Grupo IUSA:
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It's a horizontal version of an American-style "decorator" receptacle.

Mexican wiring uses the same type wall boxes and devices as USA/Canada.

Unfortunately a lot of the stuff made down in Mexico by Mexican companies doesn't see the light of day here in the USA market. Some of it is pretty innovative.

Only Mexican stuff I see sold here is Leviton and Cooper (USA brands that are manufactured down there).

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Posted By: pauluk Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/22/05 12:41 PM
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Oh and by the way,
I don't wan't any Ground up or down comments.

How about hot up/down for the horizontal mounting?

Ducks for cover..... [Linked Image]
Posted By: mxslick Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/22/05 07:31 PM
ROFL.... [Linked Image]

Incoming!!!
Posted By: distributor x Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/23/05 03:43 AM
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OK, let's give our overseas friend a break here; I don't think the 4-square is used outside the US.

It is used in Canada as well.
Posted By: techie Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/23/05 03:51 AM
How about twistlocks.. you can get dizzy going around in circles..
Posted By: pauluk Re: Do you US guys have an option? - 08/23/05 02:13 PM
At least this is one debate we don't have in Britain. With right-angle plugs being the norm, there's only one possible orientation which is considered correct:

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Notice that our ground is up though, versus the Australian/New Zealand down. This is due entirely to the fact that we're on the opposite side of the world and are thus "upside down" of course! [Linked Image]

Sorry, couldn't resist that one..... [Linked Image]
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