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Posted By: Elzappr Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/10/07 07:31 PM
Wouldn't it be nice to have a "How come?" forum so that any trade related questions, esp. code issues, could be addressed only in regards to their rationale? As a trivial example, How come conduit has to be secured within three feet from a box?
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/10/07 08:53 PM
Or....'How Come good old common sense is NOT in the Code'
Posted By: ITO Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/10/07 09:23 PM
How come the code book is written by lawyers?
Posted By: Zapped Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/10/07 09:58 PM
How come you don't look in "NEC and other code issues" forum?

BTW, it's within 1' of a box - and it's because that's a good place for it.
Posted By: Roger Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/10/07 10:38 PM
John, unfortunatly common sense died. frown

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The Death of Common Sense
By Lori Borgman


Three yards of black fabric enshroud my computer terminal. I am mourning the passing of an old friend by the name of Common Sense.

His obituary reads as follows:

Common Sense, aka C.S., lived a long life, but died from heart failure at the brink of the millennium. No one really knows how old he was, his birth records were long ago entangled in miles and miles of bureaucratic red tape.
Known affectionately to close friends as Horse Sense and Sound Thinking, he selflessly devoted himself to a life of service in homes, schools, hospitals and offices, helping folks get jobs done without a lot of fanfare, whooping and hollering. Rules and regulations and petty, frivolous lawsuits held no power over C.S.

A most reliable sage, he was credited with cultivating the ability to know when to come in out of the rain, the discovery that the early bird gets the worm and how to take the bitter with the sweet. C.S. also developed sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adult is in charge, not the kid) and prudent dietary plans (offset eggs and bacon with a little fiber and orange juice).

A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, the Technological Revolution and the Smoking Crusades, C.S. survived sundry cultural and educational trends including disco, the men's movement, body piercing, whole language and new math.

C.S.'s health began declining in the late 1960s when he became infected with the If-It-Feels-Good, Do-It virus. In the following decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing federal and state rules and regulations and an oppressive tax code. C.S. was sapped of strength and the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, criminals received better treatment than victims and judges stuck their noses in everything from Boy Scouts to professional baseball and golf. His deterioration accelerated as schools implemented zero-tolerance policies. Reports of 6-year-old boys charged with sexual harassment for kissing classmates, a teen suspended for taking a swig of Scope mouthwash after lunch, girls suspended for possessing Midol and an honor student expelled for having a table knife in her school lunch were more than his heart could endure.

As the end neared, doctors say C.S. drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments regarding regulations on low-flow toilets and mandatory air bags. Finally, upon hearing about a government plan to ban inhalers from 14 million asthmatics due to a trace of a pollutant that may be harmful to the environment, C.S. breathed his last. Services will be at Whispering Pines Cemetery. C.S. was preceded in death by his wife, Discretion; one daughter, Responsibility; and one son, Reason. He is survived by two step-brothers, Half-Wit and Dim-Wit.

Memorial Contributions may be sent to the Institute for Rational Thought.

Farewell, Common Sense. May you rest in peace.


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Roger

Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/10/07 11:08 PM
Roger:
As always...thank you!! It's going to the office with me Monday, and hanging on the counter.
Posted By: Roger Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/10/07 11:15 PM
John, you are welcome.

Roger
Posted By: iwire Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/10/07 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by Zapped
BTW, it's within 1' of a box - and it's because that's a good place for it.


BTW, it's 3', he said conduit not cable. laugh
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/11/07 12:11 AM
C'mon, Bob .... be specific. Say "358.30 says to support EMT within 3 ft. of a box." laugh
Posted By: Alan Belson Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/11/07 12:28 PM
How come the know-nothing-neanderthals at my local builders' merchants unerringly manage to permanently weld a practically unremoveable bar-code label over a vital hole or a surface that will show or which needs to be glued or soldered?
Posted By: ghost307 Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/11/07 01:08 PM
The idiots at our local DIY store found a solution to their barcode stickers getting damaged on the PVC piping, they wrapped it around the end; with most of it stuck to the INSIDE of the pipe.

If you hate those stickers on the surface, just try to get all remnants off of the interior of a dozen or so lengths of plumbing pipe.
Posted By: LK Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/11/07 04:24 PM
Just remember, Edison also wanted to know "How come?" in the early days, he felt the installed systems were safe.

Thomas Edison wrote a letter to the New York Board of Fire Underwriters stating: "I beg to say that the system of electric lighting of the Edison Electric Light Company is absolutely free from any possible danger from fire, even in connection with inflamable material."

When you say "How Come" it all started, with the meeting of 1896 to draft up the first Electrical Codes.

Put in a nutshell, Insurance companies were paying out too much. Insurance companies pushed the development of codes, not as believed by many as something developed by the goverment, today goverment agencies embrace the standards, and use it, as a guiding legal document.
Posted By: mbhydro Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/16/07 02:42 AM
Originally Posted by Alan Belson
How come the know-nothing-neanderthals at my local builders' merchants unerringly manage to permanently weld a practically unremoveable bar-code label over a vital hole or a surface that will show or which needs to be glued or soldered?


While shopping tonight at one of the big box office supply stores I came across this in the glue isle.

The Elmer's glue people now make a product called "Elmer's Sticky Out Adhesive Remover".

Here is a expanded picture off of a website of what the label says it removes. http://www.dickblick.com/zz249/15/

For the longest time at home I had used Athletic Tape remover but I ran out and have not found a well stocked drug store to buy more at. I may have to buy some of this stuff and give it a try.
Posted By: Alan Belson Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/16/07 06:35 AM
ROFL!

..."a classroom must have"..."not suitable for use by children!"
Posted By: Alan Belson Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/16/07 06:36 AM
How come glue don't stick to the inside of the bottle?
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/16/07 07:05 AM
There have been requests for new Forum areas in the past.
I asked Bill (Our Webmaster) for an off-topic area, some time ago.
Look, I think that the current Forum list is perfectly adequate for our needs.
But that does not mean you cannot put an OT: (Off Topic thread) in the General Area.
Why make things more difficult?.
Posted By: pauluk Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/16/07 07:47 AM
I think this should be a case of adding an area only if there is a clear need or distinction for topics which cannot be covered adequately elsewhere.

I've seen some forums which have so many different areas that in my opinion the overlap in coverage is so great that deciding which area is the right one becomes an almost impossible task.
Posted By: Zog Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/16/07 01:01 PM
goo-gone will remove any adhesive residue
Posted By: Rewired Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/16/07 10:36 PM
Ghost307:
How about the idiots at the local big chain - hardware store that used to put the price stickers and bar code labels on the ends of cartridge fuses and around the threads of plug fuses when they used to sell them individually like that instead of on those bubble packs like they sell them now... Do you know how many times people would not bother or not think to peel the labels off and tried popping the fuses in with "little or hot results"? LOL

A.D
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/16/07 11:28 PM
Alan, I think they are talking about the maintenance staff or the teacher needs this crayon remover. The kids are the crayon installers.
Posted By: ghost307 Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/17/07 12:57 PM
Rewired; I stay as far away from the electrical aisles as possible whenever there are employees present.

I've tried to help the novice customers not burn their house down and I've gotten in too many arguments with the idiots that they hire to give DIY advice.

I heard 1 customer ask for an extension cord for their air conditioner and get directed to the right one. When he whined about the price, the idiot handed him a 16/2 and said "how about this one, it does the same job and it's cheaper".

Why do I even go into the big box stores?? It's like climbing Mount Everest..."because it's there".
Posted By: Sixer Re: Proposal:"How come?" forum - 08/19/07 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Zog
goo-gone will remove any adhesive residue

WD-40 works great too.
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