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#94070 - 07/05/05 11:33 PM 50 amp hot tub  
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can you use nm 8-3 to feed a 50 amp hot tub?


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#94071 - 07/06/05 12:21 AM Re: 50 amp hot tub  
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I think not. NM is not one of the approved wiring methods in 680 part II. I also could have problems with the ampacity, based on the nameplate rating of the spa and mfg instructions. 8ga is only good for 40a in the 60c column.


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#94072 - 07/06/05 07:16 AM Re: 50 amp hot tub  
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Greg- The question is not stating whether it is an indoor or outdoor spa. 680.42 and 680.43 come into play here.


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#94073 - 07/06/05 09:30 AM Re: 50 amp hot tub  
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it is an outdoor hot tub


#94074 - 07/06/05 04:44 PM Re: 50 amp hot tub  
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Are you asking if you can run NM outside to a hot tub?


#94075 - 07/06/05 05:59 PM Re: 50 amp hot tub  
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Romex (type NM) is allowed in the interior of a one family dwelling or the interior of a structure associated with a one family dwelling...

But read the instructions with the tub and labels at the control box behind the skirt of the tub. Some require a full size EGC to be run with the circuit conductors...

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#94076 - 07/06/05 06:25 PM Re: 50 amp hot tub  
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Shorties right read your Manufacture's manual most spa manufacture's will put min. wire size and I've found more times tahn not it is a #6 copper, but check your manual. If customer doesn' know call dealer they bought it from.


#94077 - 07/06/05 06:38 PM Re: 50 amp hot tub  
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If NM is in fact appropriate 8 AWG NM can not be used above 40 amps.


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#94078 - 07/07/05 02:22 AM Re: 50 amp hot tub  
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no i am not asking if i can run the nm outside. just wondering if i can calculate hot tub as a motor to use smaller wire.

any thoughts against using 6-3 aluminum?


#94079 - 07/07/05 12:52 PM Re: 50 amp hot tub  
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A spa is a combination load with a significant part that is a "toaster wire" heater. The answer is in the manufacturer's instructions unless you want to start reading nameplate ratings and calculating.
You are still stuck in the 60c column with Romex.


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