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#65991 - 05/17/06 02:08 PM Footing grounds & Grd rods
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Gentlemen I have been reading everyone's comments for a few years now but finally broke down to post a question to seek your input on a job.

My local inspector has required me to tie a new service ground into the rebar of the footings of the addition I am doing. My questions is with a 200A 120/240V service do I still need the ground rods or does the connection to the footings offset the need. I was intending on still adding the rods but then I questioned myself if I would be creating a bigger problem by doing so. Any advice is appreciated.

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#65992 - 05/17/06 02:29 PM Re: Footing grounds & Grd rods
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I just realized I typed "gentlemen" I don't want to offend the ladies out there, so I apologize.

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#65993 - 05/17/06 02:32 PM Re: Footing grounds & Grd rods
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Loc: Sterling, Virginia, US
The bonding of the rebar (also known as a Ufer ground) has become required in my area as an additional bond for a service. Ground bars, cold water, building steel (if present), rebar (if present), etc.

"http://www.psihq.com/iread/ufergrnd.htm" for more info on Ufer grounds. This was the first site I hit following a quick search. I think it's interesting.
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#65994 - 05/17/06 02:39 PM Re: Footing grounds & Grd rods
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NJ PAT:

Welcome to ECN, from one Jersey Guy to another. You're really close to home!!

OK, with a ufer ground, you DO NOT need rods.
In plain english, IF you have access to footing rebar, you have to install a ufer (#4 Cu)

Water pipes still require bonding, water heater & water meter jumpers, and building steel, if avail.

John

PS: Any more "Jersey Guys" lurking in the backround????
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#65995 - 05/17/06 03:36 PM Re: Footing grounds & Grd rods
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NJ Pat, let me join John in welcoming you to the forum.

Now that you have broken the ice I hope you continue to participate

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#65996 - 05/17/06 03:53 PM Re: Footing grounds & Grd rods
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Have not posted in a while just had a new baby 8 weeks old
I am in central NJ

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#65997 - 05/17/06 03:56 PM Re: Footing grounds & Grd rods
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Northern NJ here (Bergen Cty.)

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#65998 - 05/17/06 04:00 PM Re: Footing grounds & Grd rods
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This is the Florida style Ufer

http://members.aol.com/gfretwell/ufer.jpg

[This message has been edited by gfretwell (edited 05-17-2006).]
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#65999 - 05/17/06 04:14 PM Re: Footing grounds & Grd rods
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Congrats Nov. Now your work load really gets heavy. Just kidding

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#66000 - 05/17/06 05:06 PM Re: Footing grounds & Grd rods
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Registered: 06/11/05
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Loc: Rahway, New Jersey
I've already had a few issues with inspectors over the Ufer thing. I just finished rough wiring a house in Short Hills, NJ and for whatever reason the Ufer ground somehow got lost, or buried, or like I said, whatever reason. The inspector ok'd the service but made me install (2) ground rods. Seems that the excavator assumes this responsiblility and it's the electricians job to find the Ufer when installing the service. Personally, I feel the more grounds, the better the install, the better the product we are selling to our customers.

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