The Electrical Contractor Network

ECN Electrical Forum
Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals

Books, Tools and Test Equipment for Electrical and Construction Trades

Register Now!

Register Now!

We want your input!


2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Recent Posts
Son of Sparky
by HotLine1
Yesterday at 07:43 PM
Speaking of Plugmold ...
by gfretwell
10/17/16 02:37 PM
Broken battery charger? Check for cobwebs!
by gfretwell
10/17/16 02:30 PM
230 or 345 kV transmission lines?
by annemarie1
10/12/16 01:23 PM
Is this a fix or just a bandaid?
by gfretwell
10/10/16 06:49 PM
New in the Gallery:
12.5A through 0.75mm˛ flex (just out of curiosity)
Shout Box

Top Posters (30 Days)
gfretwell 11
HotLine1 6
renosteinke 6
ghost307 5
sparky 4
Who's Online
1 registered (gfretwell), 244 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#47209 - 01/11/05 06:39 PM Sump pump outside
Jps1006 Offline

Registered: 01/22/04
Posts: 609
Loc: Northern IL
I have a customer that is moving his sump pump outside. It currently is in a crawlspace under his master bedroom, and he is tired of hearing it cycle on & off at night, so they are digging a hole just outside, running the drain tiles to it, and then piping it to the storm sewer.

I want to avoid GFI to avoid nusiance tripping flooding the lower level. Any suggestions? I'm thinking an in-use cover with a single receptacle wouldn't fly because that exception only applies to the garage and basement.

Any suggestions?

Can I clip the cord and run it into an AC disconnect?

Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades

Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades
Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades
Arc Flash Clothing, Gloves, KneePads, Tool Belts, Pouches, Tool Carriers, etc. etc....

#47210 - 01/12/05 06:57 AM Re: Sump pump outside
Radar Offline

Registered: 04/30/04
Posts: 349
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Can't you find an applicable exception to the GFI requirement based on: a) receptacle location not readily accessable, or: b) single receptacle (not duplex) dedicated to equipment fixed in place (Art 210-8)?
There are 10 types of people. Those who know binary, and those who don't.

#47211 - 01/12/05 08:23 AM Re: Sump pump outside
kd Offline

Registered: 12/14/04
Posts: 51
Hey, install a GFCI; it is required to protect people from shock. Perhaps install it on a wall indoors so it will not get moisture in it and feed the sump pump downstream. If it trips, try to find a 15 mili-amp tripping model. If that trips, you will have to replace the GFCI with a switch. At least you tried. I am assuming that it is a new sump pump or they cannot afford to get a new one.

#47212 - 01/12/05 09:54 AM Re: Sump pump outside
Dave55 Offline

Registered: 05/08/04
Posts: 666
Loc: Crystal Lake, Illinois, USA
I'd keep the power cord and install a single receptacle with a WWIU cover. GFCI protection isn't required or recommended.


#47213 - 01/12/05 10:14 AM Re: Sump pump outside
resqcapt19 Offline

Registered: 11/10/00
Posts: 2209
Loc: IL
There is no code exception for this appication. The only excecption to 210.8(A)(3) is for snow melting equipment. You have 3 choices, 1) install the GFCI, 2) install a hardwired pump, or 3) install a 240 volt cord connected pump.

#47214 - 01/12/05 05:36 PM Re: Sump pump outside
Jps1006 Offline

Registered: 01/22/04
Posts: 609
Loc: Northern IL
Thanks guys.

Don, I was thinking along the same lines as you, except I didn't think of your option 3.

I'll put this question to my AHJ, but do any of you see a problem with cutting off the end of the cord? I guess besides maybe that a plumber will be fiddling around with it when it comes time to replace it.


ECN Electrical Forums - sponsored by Electrical Contractor Network - Electrical and Code Related Discussion for Electrical Contractors, Electricians, Inspectors, Instructors, Engineers and other related Professionals