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#18818 - 12/15/02 04:18 AM New GFCI's
Electricmanscott Offline
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Has anyone come across the new lockout type gfci receptacles? I have. The price is double the standard gfci. Begin the outrage!
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#18819 - 12/15/02 05:01 AM Re: New GFCI's
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hmmm, this brings a Q....

~ when UL dictates a new standard, what do we in the field do with all our existing stock??
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#18820 - 12/15/02 05:48 AM Re: New GFCI's
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Scott,

Here in northern NJ my supply house told me that they are staring to stock the new GFI's. They will only be about $4 more expensive in my supply house. Is it required, I don't believe that NEC is requiring it yet. Is it a good idea? Yes, becuase how many times I go into a house for a final inspection and find that GFI receptacles are reverse Line/Load wired and how many times I find GFI's that were used during the construction and then don't work for the final. I believe all supply houses are allowed to use up their stock first.(as well as the manufactures)

Harold
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#18821 - 12/15/02 06:11 AM Re: New GFCI's
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it is customary to allow the wholesale houses to sell off existing inventories.

Seems to me that I heard about a study that found out that 18% of GFI devices lost their ability to provide GFI protection. This tells me that most people don't use the test button or if they do, they don't bother getting the GFI fixed when it quits working.

See the last paragraph of 90.4
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#18822 - 12/15/02 06:59 AM Re: New GFCI's
Electricmanscott Offline
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From what I understand the lockout feature is a UL listing requuirement that takes effect 1-1-03. This is not an NEC rule. I beleive that you can sell and use all existing supplies untill they are gone. My cost for these are a little over $11.00 or so. Old gfci's were unde $7.00.
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#18823 - 12/15/02 07:28 AM Re: New GFCI's
spyder Offline
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Why the outrage? In the end it means more profit for us! As electricians we always seem to fight change, I rarely hear other trades complain about changes.
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#18824 - 12/15/02 07:48 AM Re: New GFCI's
sparky Offline
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spyder;
it's not only up to field electricians to implement change, it falls on our shoulders to publicize the changes also.

sort of makes us the 'sales' end for all the powers that be.......and i HATE sales....
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#18825 - 12/15/02 01:13 PM Re: New GFCI's
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I don't see how this GFCI UL change has any negative impact on electricians. We are still required to insall them in certain locations per NEC. The only difference is they won't work at all if wired improperly (not a bad thing) and they cost a few bucks more (big deal because you just pass the cost on to the customer).
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#18826 - 12/15/02 07:15 PM Re: New GFCI's
Electricmanscott Offline
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Spyder I completely agree with you. the higher the item is priced the higher your profit on the item will be in most cases. My crack about the outrage was more to stir things up. I know that there are people here who actually will be outraged by this.
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#18827 - 12/15/02 08:54 PM Re: New GFCI's
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Since few of my competitors put in GFCIs at all, it makes things more expensive for me on bid jobs.



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