The Electrical Contractor Network

ECN Electrical Forum
Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals

Books, Tools and Test Equipment for Electrical and Construction Trades

Register Now!

Register Now!

We want your input!

Featured:
   

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

   
Recent Posts
Correct rotation, wrong sequence
by Potseal
Today at 03:14 PM
Industrail Control Panel bonding per 409.108
by sparkyinak
Yesterday at 06:29 PM
Calling all Non-US members!! (Non-US only)
by aussie240
12/07/16 02:39 AM
Photo Upload Tutorial
by DanK
12/06/16 11:35 PM
Sprinklered equipment 26-008
by bigpapa
12/02/16 04:24 PM
New in the Gallery:
12.5A through 0.75mm˛ flex (just out of curiosity)
Shout Box

Top Posters (30 Days)
gfretwell 12
HotLine1 10
Potseal 9
sparkyinak 8
Texas_Ranger 7
Who's Online
0 registered (), 198 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#177407 - 05/01/08 07:13 PM Setting boxes in a block wall
gfretwell Offline

Member

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9045
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
What kind of box do you all recommend for setting boxes in a concrete block wall, fishing the raceway down the cores. There will be a stucco/plaster finish. Dry location
_________________________
Greg Fretwell

Top
Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades

Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades
Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades
Arc Flash Clothing, Gloves, KneePads, Tool Belts, Pouches, Tool Carriers, etc. etc....

#177408 - 05/01/08 07:25 PM Re: Setting boxes in a block wall [Re: gfretwell]
BigB Offline
Member

Registered: 03/31/04
Posts: 727
Loc: Tucson, AZ USA
Greg, I always use Mason boxes. They are made in both deep and shallow. A true mason box has a lip across the top and bottom for securing the device. I mount them flush or out a little to allow for the stucco. If the stucco is to have styrofoam insulation behind it, then I fasten a handy box extension to it to make up the 1 to 1.5" difference.

Unfortunately, setting boxes in concrete/block/brick is a common thing where I live, I keep a box of Mason boxes on the truck, along with a box of rapid set mortar, and a box of 20 min drywall compound.


Edited by BigB (05/01/08 07:32 PM)

Top
#177410 - 05/01/08 07:37 PM Re: Setting boxes in a block wall [Re: BigB]
gfretwell Offline

Member

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9045
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
Thanks, I was hoping somebody had come up with a new idea that didn't involve mud.
_________________________
Greg Fretwell

Top
#177419 - 05/02/08 04:58 AM Re: Setting boxes in a block wall [Re: gfretwell]
homer Offline
Member

Registered: 09/30/04
Posts: 68
Loc: Vancouver, WA, USA
Greg,
The corregated plastic flex is a little easier to fish if you need a raceway, rather than metal flex. It also does not corrode like aluminum can in high moisture environments.

Top
#177422 - 05/02/08 06:04 AM Re: Setting boxes in a block wall [Re: homer]
gfretwell Offline

Member

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9045
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
I am using ENT, I assume that is what you are talking about, since it will be cast in concrete at the top of the wall.
We need tie beams here.
I guess masonry boxes it is. I was just amazed that someone had not come up with a surface flange box deep enough to get the KO behind the block web. I sure couldn't find anything in the catalogs
_________________________
Greg Fretwell

Top
#177426 - 05/02/08 07:46 AM Re: Setting boxes in a block wall [Re: gfretwell]
gfretwell Offline

Member

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9045
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
Just a thought, could you "foam" the boxes in?
_________________________
Greg Fretwell

Top
#177427 - 05/02/08 07:49 AM Re: Setting boxes in a block wall [Re: gfretwell]
EV607797 Offline
Member

Registered: 10/25/06
Posts: 756
Loc: Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Greg:

I'm surprised that Arlington Industries hasn't come out with a solution for this yet. This is about the closest thing that I can think of that would address your type of installation, but it's a round box: http://www.aifittings.com/whnew102.htm
_________________________
---Ed---

"But the guy at Home Depot said it would work."

Top
#177432 - 05/02/08 10:34 AM Re: Setting boxes in a block wall [Re: EV607797]
gfretwell Offline

Member

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9045
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
OK I am just going with the regular mason boxes and I will just pour these cells when they do the tie beam and dowelled cells. I am going to cut some plywood squares to hold the boxes straight while they get poured in.
_________________________
Greg Fretwell

Top
#177465 - 05/03/08 09:04 AM Re: Setting boxes in a block wall [Re: gfretwell]
JValdes Offline
Member

Registered: 06/03/07
Posts: 308
Loc: South Carolina
Can you be there when the block masons are doing the wall. If so you can set the boxes where you want and let them cut them in as they go. You can even run your conduit along with them if they agree. If you don't have to many walls to cover this has always worked good for me.
I use regular 1900 boxes with masking tape.

Top
#177468 - 05/03/08 12:45 PM Re: Setting boxes in a block wall [Re: JValdes]
gfretwell Offline

Member

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9045
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
We are doing a delicate dance with the masons to get this done as easy as possible for them because they are doing me a favor. I would rather work when they are not here so I don't interrupt the flow of their work. I made up some plywood fixtures to hold the boxes with witness lines across the device mounting holes so I can chalk a vertical on the wall and get everything to be straight and level. I will saw cut holes, stuff the pre-piped boxes down the cores and attach them to the plywood via the device holes then tapcon the whole wood to the wall over the hole. When they pour the cells I should have boxes concreted in and sticking out 3/8" for the stucco. It took a while to make my plywood fixtures but it was more fun that watching 3 guys chip out 4 yards of concrete (the current step).
_________________________
Greg Fretwell

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >



ECN Electrical Forums - sponsored by Electrical Contractor Network - Electrical and Code Related Discussion for Electrical Contractors, Electricians, Inspectors, Instructors, Engineers and other related Professionals