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#104674 - 10/07/03 06:17 AM Electrical Metallic Tubing Installed Underground
Joe Tedesco Offline
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In Arizona doesn't seem to withstand the effects of the earth?

What does UL have to say about this and does the NEC cover this situation?



[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 03-07-2005).]
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#104675 - 10/07/03 07:43 AM Re: Electrical Metallic Tubing Installed Underground
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That looks bad, especially for a dry climate like Arizona. Or is this the result of galvanic action of some kind?

By the way, what's the usual thickness of the metal used for EMT?

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#104676 - 10/07/03 01:38 PM Re: Electrical Metallic Tubing Installed Underground
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Paul, EMT is roughly the same as the exhaust pipe on a car.

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#104677 - 10/08/03 12:23 PM Re: Electrical Metallic Tubing Installed Underground
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EMT wall thickness runs from 0.042 for 1/2 inch to .083 for 4 inch.

Compare that to Rigid Steel which runs from .104 to .225.

BTW IMC runs from .070 to .140.

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#104678 - 10/08/03 03:14 PM Re: Electrical Metallic Tubing Installed Underground
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Thanks. There was some thinwall conduit used in the U.K. in the past, but nowadays we don't really have an equivalent to EMT in general work, just PVC or heavy-gauge steel.

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#104679 - 10/08/03 05:37 PM Re: Electrical Metallic Tubing Installed Underground
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ARTICLE 358
Electrical Metallic Tubing: Type EMT

358.10 Uses Permitted.
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(B) Corrosion Protection. Ferrous or nonferrous EMT, elbows, couplings, and fittings shall be permitted to be installed in concrete, in direct contact with the earth, or in areas subject to severe corrosive influences where protected by corrosion protection and judged suitable for the condition.
(C) Wet Locations. All supports, bolts, straps, screws, and so forth shall be of corrosion-resistant materials or protected against corrosion by corrosion-resistant materials.

358.12 Uses Not Permitted. EMT shall not be used under the following conditions:
(1) Where, during installation or afterward, it will be subject to severe physical damage
(2) Where protected from corrosion solely by enamel
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(6) Where practicable, dissimilar metals in contact anywhere in the system shall be avoided to eliminate the possibility of galvanic action
Exception: Aluminum fittings and enclosures shall be permitted to be used with steel EMT where not subject to severe corrosive influences.

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#104680 - 10/08/03 10:09 PM Re: Electrical Metallic Tubing Installed Underground
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It looks like it may be "lava rock" around those pieces. If so, I have found that lava rock is very corosive, even to galvanized material. I've seen it eat completely through window wells when it was used around the foundation. This may be a location where Suitable for conditions is important.

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#104681 - 10/09/03 02:54 AM Re: Electrical Metallic Tubing Installed Underground
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This picture was taken in Las Vegas last year.

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#104682 - 10/09/03 06:12 PM Re: Electrical Metallic Tubing Installed Underground
Gwz Offline
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You're just " nitpicking ".

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#104683 - 01/01/04 07:12 AM Re: Electrical Metallic Tubing Installed Underground
Joe Tedesco Offline
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Gwz
continued ....

Define "nitpicking"

How in the heck are you! What's up? Did you send in any Proposals, and did they get accepted?

How about Comments?
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