ECN Forum Forums Code Related Discussion NEC & other Code issues Closet Luminaires (Fixtures)

George


I got you now, your not mean if that is how things are handled in your area.

The inspections in my area are strictly NEC inspections, I have never had an inspector want to look at the prints and compare them to what is actually installed.

I would be in deep @@@@ if they did, our jobs almost never match the prints that where submitted to the building dept.

Around here everything is subject to change on a minute to minute basis.

"I have never had an inspector want to look at the prints and compare them to what is actually installed."

In our area they require print filed with permit, changes are allowed, provided you update permit, and they are not rigid on changes, provided you filed update.

Just check any towns fire logs, you would be suprised, how many fires are caused by keyless closet lights comming in contact with combustable material.


[This message has been edited by LK (edited 06-26-2005).]

LK If we relocate an electric room maybe the prints get updated.

Change / move / delete lighting fixtures...err ...luminaires I would be very surprised (shocked even) if the building dept gets updated drawings.

The exception to this are Fire Alarm Drawings I must work from the original stamped set, no copy's and changes must be approved. But for me Fire Alarm prints do not go through the building dept, they go through the fire dept.

Bob

I refer to the plans quite often to settle issues on inspections. Contractor / Homeowner say " It's a storage room" Plans say it's a bedroom. contractor say it's a setting room- Plans say it's a dining room. And my personal favorite "It's a sewing room" I guess the Inspector has to have something to refer to. In our area we ask that a set of approved plans be on the job site for inspections.

[This message has been edited by George Little (edited 06-26-2005).]

I know the jobs don't go in per plans on residential -Silly Rabbit.
But there some things that we need to be sure happen and I feel very strongly about 410.8 and the plans are a tool I use for this compliance.

Yes they may well put the keyless back after I leave as well as put the Halo 310 trim up after I made them change it to the covered lens trim but Hey! I can't police that and it was fine when I inspected it.

Bob,

In the industrial and commercial office sites, they have been lax for years on both getting permits, and having work inspected, some claim they are not subject to inspections, this discussion continues to come up, repair and maintain is one thing, but new plant construction, or office fit-up's should have permits and inspections, and i see more areas requiring these jobs to be filed, which usually require a sealed print and inspection form, some of these jobs are getting a plan review, and some are approved without the process, but every area has different ways of operating, so this may not hold true for all areas.
When these sites are inspected, the agency doing the inspection needs up to date information, and if it is a design build project as many are today, what you are saying is exactly what many do.
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"I would be in deep @@@@ if they did, our jobs almost never match the prints that where submitted to the building dept."

"Change / move / delete lighting fixtures...err ...luminaires I would be very surprised (shocked even) if the building dept gets updated drawings."
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Right, 99% of the time when this work is done, they don't, update or apply for permits, and every excuse from, it dosen't apply to us, or i will be thrown off the job by the building management, if i apply for a permit, to the other guy is not getting permits, but i got hit, for not permitting, some of these jobs, and it was not easy to recover from the mess it left, Yes you can go thru a red light, but one time or another, there will be a ticket or an accident.
In my opinion updating prints helps everyone, but i can see you point on this issue.

"But there some things that we need to be sure happen and I feel very strongly about 410.8 and the plans are a tool I use for this compliance."

Keep up the good work George.



[This message has been edited by LK (edited 06-26-2005).]

LK we have permits and we get inspections.

Plans are turned in at the time of permit filling.

But I kid you not, the inspectors in this area are not 'plan' inspectors.

As long as the job meets the NEC (well the MEC) it is signed off.

Until I started hanging out at these forums I had never heard of an inspector comparing the prints to what is actually installed, I was very surprised to find that out.

I had always looked at that as an issue between the customer and the EC or GC as the case may be.

What we do have is customers representative stopping by the jobs all the time taking pictures and verifying that the customer is getting what they paid for.

I doubt our inspectors would have the time to check for deviations from the prints.

This may be different in small residential construction here but I do not know.

As you said each area has different methods.

Looks like if I moved to another area I would have to learn new methods.

Bob,

We had a big fit-up job held up in the town where Hot Line inspects, and yes, the plan review process takes time, in his town the work load backs up, i guess it's a manpower thing, but when the time pressure in on the EC, it can get pretty heavy.

By the way LK, I did not mean to give the impression that we do it right here and you do it wrong there.

Just different.

Bob

I understand, every area operates under different conditions, and i know you are involved in some pretty large projects, that can give you a real work out.