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#88016 05/20/04 12:20 PM
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For those who do not approve of the use of the clamp screw for EGC connections, I have 2 questions. Do you accept the use of the listed push-on green clamp for the termination of ECGs at a box? If yes, can you honestly say that you believe that the push-on clamp is a better grounding connection than the clamp screw?
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Remember that questions of this type have been asked many times before, sometimes even before the new kids and fledgling inspectors, and young journey-persons were even born!
maybe, but obviously they weren't answered, or if they were, the answer wasn't very substantial. [Linked Image]

True case, my cousin had a degenerative eye condition and actually lost the vision in one eye before the cause was found and treated. If the cause had not been diagnosed he would have lost the other one.

My Aunt and Uncle had traveled great distances and spent allot of money taking him to specialists and eye clinics.

In the end a young Doctor (a pup) just out of college recognized the disease.

All the oldsters were ignoring a simple cause because they were to set in their ways. [Linked Image]

Believe me, I'm set in my ways too so I fit this stereotype, but I know not to ignore or diss (did I use that word correctly [Linked Image]) the young and upcoming.


Roger



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I am truly baffled, still this goes on and no one has shown a reference from the NEC that requires a green or listed screw or even more off the wall, a listed hole.

If you can not show a reference to the NEC or at least UL you can not say it is a violation.

(Roger you so Phat, I think I used that right [Linked Image])


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#88020 05/20/04 03:51 PM
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Box (Grounding Provisions (314.40d
Equipment Bonding jumpers (250.102b)
Connection of Grounding and Bonding Equipment. (250.8)

#88021 05/20/04 04:09 PM
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Forgot to add (250.148a) Metal boxes

#88022 05/20/04 04:35 PM
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Yeah,"means of a grounding screw that shall be used for no other purpose or a listed grounding device".
Lets knock this around!


Shoot first, apologize later.....maybe
#88023 05/20/04 04:36 PM
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Yoopersup, which of those articles and sections mention a green screw.

As Bill brought up earlier, if the screw must be listed we have a much bigger problem. [Linked Image]

Roger

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Another observation here. See what happens when the word "Opinion" comes into play. [Linked Image] [Linked Image] [Linked Image]

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Hold everything here. After reading Joe's last post this has evolved from the screw to which screw hole you can and can't use. That is even more ridiculous than which screw to use. Either way nobody has shown any type of refrence that disallows anything.

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