ECN Forum Forums Code Related Discussion NEC & other Code issues abandonment

the only 'hazard' concerning wires that have been dicontinued from thier power source is confusion, rx=identification.

Don:
I agree 100% with you! No AHJ should "make his own code". The "rule" here in NJ is that the AHJ has to cite an article from the NEC, and 90-4 don't count too much anymore.

My opinions stated in my post above are my opinions as a contractor! My opinion as an AHJ is:
THere is no NEC article to cite, so I cannot "make" anyone remove abandoned power wiring.

I did not intend my opinion and comments to upset you or anyone else at ECN
John

Joe,


To see a whole potporri of crazy installations, head east about 2.5 - 3 miles from the Convention Center and you will be able to fill maybe four 128 MB Flashcards with images right off the bat!!!

Take a stroll down Pico Blvd. until you get to Broadway. North to 4th St. (around the high rises). East for about 1/2 - 1 mile.

This is a very depressing part of town, and I am only poking fun at the businesses which have opted to have cheesy people install stuff in highly cheesy ways (and continue to allow this to reoccur!), not the homeless people in the area.

Better yet, forget this suggestion and head straight for Beverly Hills!!! I have seen an almost equal level of Electroclown-activity in various locations there too!

I 10 west to Robertson or National. North for about 4 miles. west on Wilshire Blvd.
Be sure to wave at everyone when you get there!
They love it!! <joke>

So much for humor!

Scott35 S.E.T.

IMO.....

fascit stances sour the trade for many.

I shall, quietly, simply agree with Don and Sparky.

Len

Hotline,

I use to hate when inspectors quoted 90-4 at the wrong times. This was one of the reasons I got my own inspectors license. We all know that the NEC is a minimum code. We can all do what is in the code book and better. You are correct that in NJ if I fail some one for a job and he questions my decision, I have to back it up with a code section "chapter and verse." For the most part if I see something and tell the contractor, he knows that I am right and that there is a code section to back me up. He will usually just fix the problem and not complain.

Scott35

I can see that you are in tune with my concerns about electrical safety!!

Can we take a ride around the city to the areas you mentioned? I'll be in LA until the 13th.

I guess I'll have to post the links again to some of pictures of accidents caused by unsafe wiring to show again the reasons why we should be concerned about this issue!

Some people from small towns only with two story buildings seem to be missing the point here, and they are entitled to their opinion, but really should spend some time in the big cities and move away from their desks and walk the city streets -- man what they will see and learn!

Don:

The reason for the rejection will be in the ROC, I was not in the room when they supplied the comment for rejection.

so Joe,
are you to post accidential hangings via deenergized wires here?
if so,perhaps i have indeed led a shealtered carear out in the puckerbrush.



i see, so it is a process in which rational conclusions take a back seat to personal volume?

as i have always suspected.......

Joe,
In most of the pictures that you post, we have no way of knowing if the conductors or equipment are still connected to a power source. If they are still connected they would be a hazard, but if no longer connected there is no electrical hazard. I'd love for the code to be changed ro require all unused electrical conduit, equipment and conductors to be removed beacaue I get paid by the hour and it would create a lot of work, but the code does not require this at this time and no inspector has the right to require a contractor to do this work.
Don

I shall, quietly, simply agree with Don, Sparky, and Len.

Just try to pull NM out of walls.