ECN Forum Forums Code Related Discussion NEC & other Code issues 210.52(D)

Another note:

They've decided to add a couple of floor recepts... I said fine, but warned of the cost. The head cheese said that he wanted me to use regular boxes with a regular metal cover plate... He said that all the other houses had them, and no one pointed out anything wrong with it. I quoted 314.27(C). I won, eventually on that one.

I was called the "Electrical Evangelist" today by another point man...

Should I take that as a compliment?

(Actually, I kinda like it.)

<dreaming>And that puts me up there with Joe Tedesco and Mike Holt!</dreaming>


Hmmm... I'm getting the feeling that all of this is leading me to somewhere important...


[This message has been edited by sparky66wv (edited 07-13-2002).]

I worked for a group such as you describe ONCE. They call themselves construction magement. They should have left off the "construction" because they knew nothing about it. Also I am seeing a pattern here and am wondering how the heck you are finding these people to work for? I guess being an electrical evengelist is a good thing, right? That means you are working by the book and doing the right thing. Apparently they are not accustomed to that in your area.

LOL!, the trade 'evangalists' would indeed recognize your perserverance Virg, yet our turf is similar in that exorcisim is oft more apropos

but seriously.... 'Engineers' thrive on detail, text, reference, etc, this is thier arena......

Yep, that sums it up...

careful...you could start a trend.....

Yep... You got it Electricmanscott...

"Construction Management" and "LLC" are a part of their business name...

Talk about being picky. In many of our old houses we count ourselves lucky if we get all the switches at the same height!

Yes, Paul... That one small detail made the difference between an expected 20% profit after paying myself to about a 20% loss under the same (so I'm really just paying myself a lot less)... And no other house there that I've seen has had to come under the same rule... (their boxes aren't consistant...)

What makes it bad is in the contract that I was pressured into signing before given a chance to read it, states that the GC can define what a "change" is and isn't... Simply moving something isn't.

My problem now lies in convincing them of the cost difference between my work and the work of others and to convince them that my work is worth more money because of less liability for all. I plan to make materials lists with the "standard" materials (the ones everyone else uses here...) and another with the list of materials that I use, and show the materials cost difference, and the labor difference. This will only work for the next bid, too late on this house.

Think they'll buy it?

[This message has been edited by sparky66wv (edited 07-13-2002).]

don't worry 'bout it.......

Hmm, whatever the intent, reading the letter of what's written there, I guess it doesn't say that the recept must be above the basin (or countertop, if present).

Concise Oxford English dictionary:

I guess it comes down to one's individual interpretation of what constitutes "near."

Letter of the rules aside, my instinct would be that the outlet should be placed up high rather than down in the baseboard.