ECN Forum Forums General Topics of the Trade General Discussion Area No wonder Article 80 is not widely adopted.

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I've nothing to hide, and they're on my side.
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I shudder when I hear this comment. It correlates to "He wouldn't be on trial if he was innocent".
Rowdy

I agree I have nothing to hide at my home either, I could invite the police or AHJ over anytime.

However I am not prepared to give up a right that many others have died for.

You are also right apathy will not help us, we must be diligent in defending the rights that we are lucky enough to have because of other peoples sacrifices.

I will step off the soapbox now.

JMO, Bob

Is there no middle ground?
I absolutely will not defend the "rights" of a storekeeper to have a hazardous place where a 4 year old child can be electrocuted because someone thinks that they have the "right" to do things in any way they see fit.

I can understand public buildings,rental housing,office space etc.

But I shudder to think the cops could show up at my home with a warrant for some real or imagined "violation" with a building/electrical inspector in tow.

Once you get"in the system" your chances of being vindicated decrease dramatically. In the meantime,your house is condemmed,your family is out on the street,and you sit in the county jail,awaiting trial because your panel cover was off.

Far fetched? maybe. Ask the people whose homes are being taken away by municipalities under the guise of "imminent domain" and then sold to developers who build something that generates more tax revenue.

OK,I'm off the soapbox as well.

Russell

OK,
I don't want to teeter on my soapbox, either.
We already have a Code Enforcement dept. in nearly all our towns here.
They generally have an inspector that is overscheduled and really just pays lip service to those who have a neighbor's tree dropping sap on their Lexus. A real waste of time and money.
I'm not for invasion of privacy, but why act like a paranoid?
I rest my case...S

Hey I am sure there can be some middle ground I just do not see much middle ground in how 80.13(5) was written.

Your comment about a 4 year old child is well received here, with my 3 and 4 year old girls in sight as I type this.


Because there are always those that let a little power go to their head, never mind the power to enter residences at will.

In the area I work in we have regular inspections and the vast majority of the inspectors are great guys who would handle any power given to them responsibly.

However there are few I can think of that I would never want to have this power and one I know would be using this new power as often as possible.

Bob



[This message has been edited by iwire (edited 12-14-2003).]

one wouldn't think one need be more than a political turnip to hear the sound of jackboots lately Bob.

the two polar opposites that currently comprise 'authority' in our trade now run from the fascist authoritarians whom have cultivated thier own clics, to the anarchist 'don't need no essstinkin' badges' camp you allude to

any authority i would allow past my threashold, on my job, or otherwise in my affairs works for me , and if this trade had a #!@* shredof self respect it's leaders would see to this being the norm, dealt with an even hand throughout the nation.

In my State, we have had this in our State code for a long time. As a inspector myself, the Authorities use this to their advantages to gain access into homes and businesses. I beleive in some of this, except when it comes to the child protective service agencies. They seem to use us to try to take every child away. Almost to the point of where you are almost on the homeowners side, and it always seems to fall right around the holidays.
As in my 5 years as an AHJ, I have produced for the police over $400,000.00 of drugs and stolen property.
Doug