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Reno:
Agree to disagree one more time. The following is IMHO
Protection from physical damage is the reasoning for the article you quoted.
'Industrial', although not within Art 100 defs, means just that, industrial.
Qualified persons, although not within Art 100 would be people like you, me and 'sparky'! Or a plant maintenance electrician.
'ensure' is not in Art 100 either, but that could be what an AHJ is doing by enforcing the code.
That all said...rubber cord in conduit will not fly. Protection from physical damage? Why is 'cord' installed IF it as subject to physical damage? Use an Article 300 wiring method suitable for the enviornment!
No loophole, no circus train, even "N" guage.
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A mogul LB would really be a $$$ clincher!
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So, I'd look to 400.14 as providing me with a loophole big enough to drive a circus train through. To wit: "In industrial establishments where the conditions of maintenance and supervision ensure that only qualified persons service the installation, flexible cords and cables shall be permitted to be installed in aboveground raceways that are no longer than 50-ft. to protect the flexible cord or cable from physical damage."
Since the NEC does not define any of the qualifying conditions in that section, the AHJ has no choice but to grant the greatest possible lattitude to 'industrial,' 'qualified,' 'supervision,' 'ensure,' and 'protection.'
Therefore, the NEC specifically allows that you run the cable through a fitting into pipe, and to continue the cable to the junction box.
How far to the junction box? Well -apart from the 50-ft. limitation- the pipe is required to be supported within 5ft
(not a typo) of the structural support, I'd say that the junction box would be required at that support point.
dang, this is like the bibical contra's those nuns drove me batsh*t with in my youth GO RENO! ~S~
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A mogul LB would really be a $$$ clincher! forkin' A right they are HotOne! ~S~
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Okay we all know what @#...%% stuff means, even the young people that visit the forum . please use proper words in your replies. I will have to search the forum when this was mentioned a few years ago.
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what say you to Buss Drop Cable Greg?
~S~ It is a fine wiring method when used as intended, branching off of a busway, with proper support. Pretty expensive tho.
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Sparky, be careful what you wish for! Doug .... how can you object to words -like the one in your example- that are so tame every kid can see them in the Sunday comics? Surely what's allowed for Beetle Bailey is safe enough for here?  Now I will set aside my spoon, as the pot is stirred quite enough. 
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On a more serious note ... Hotline, I won't disagree. We need to select the method to suit the environment. The issue the OP is facing is that the environment changes, so he must change method to match. The only question is whether he can do it without a splice placed exactly at the point where the environment changes.
If I can summarize it, your position is that there must be a change in method at that exact point; mine is that the OP has five feet of leeway.
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Sparky, be careful what you wish for! Doug .... how can you object to words -like the one in your example- that are so tame every kid can see them in the Sunday comics? Surely what's allowed for Beetle Bailey is safe enough for here? Now I will set aside my spoon, as the pot is stirred quite enough. Okay, This type of word usage has been discussed here before batsh*t gee i wonder what fits in there. Pick a vowel anyhow just trying to keep certain words out
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Reno:
The point of change from one wiring method to another is 'design'; my involvement is NEC compliance as adopted by my stste.
Dbravo posted a question in this thread. He was given answers, and opinions.
It will be interesting if he posts his solution.
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