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loud & clear HotOne
at first sniff, there appears to be an option via either a afci breaker OR receptacle
but then there's those multiwire circiuts that would dictate the afci receptacle
so all afci hand wringing aside, the powers that be have essentially created code for which exists no widget
at least that i can find....maybe i'm asking the wrong sources?
'cause i'll kinda need to, being Vermont is the afci mecca of the electrical universe, and they'll probably adopt the 11' in June, July here
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Even if you adopt the '11 mid year, the section you quoted is not effective till '14, correct? Or am I on the wrong page?
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Yes, you're correct HotOne
but keep in mind Vermont adopted afci's via their state statues in the '99 cycle
we're crazy about 'em here....
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The elusive AFCI device prototype is a P&S Legrand item.
Have you checked with the Vermont P&S rep? I'm surprised that as you guys 'need' AFCI for 12 years P&S did not jump into the Vermont market.
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They've been known to create Code rules for things that will be available sometime later.
Remember that the requirement for 'rated' boxes for ceiling fans came out before there were any 'rated' boxes on the market?
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My feeling is these products exist when they are proposed but they are not through the testing/listing phase yet. I know Harvey Johnson (Cuttler Hammer)had a prototype AFCI in his garage at least a year before the first proposal was sent to NFPA. I gave him one of my old Tektronics 453 scopes and a current probe to play with. He was looking at different types of arc signatures. I think his son was working at the lab but Harv was working from his home in beautiful downtown Estero Florida.
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The elusive AFCI device prototype is a P&S Legrand item.
Have you checked with the Vermont P&S rep? I'm surprised that as you guys 'need' AFCI for 12 years P&S did not jump into the Vermont market.
actually that's a good suggestion HotOne ~S~
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My feeling is these products exist when they are proposed but they are not through the testing/listing phase yet. I know Harvey Johnson (Cuttler Hammer)had a prototype AFCI in his garage at least a year before the first proposal was sent to NFPA. I gave him one of my old Tektronics 453 scopes and a current probe to play with. He was looking at different types of arc signatures. I think his son was working at the lab but Harv was working from his home in beautiful downtown Estero Florida. I would love to hear Harvey's opinie on the afci, especially after a decade of evolution Greg ~S~
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Harvey passed a few years ago.
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Condolences.....
it'd be like talking to a founding father about the constitution for me Greg
oh, and HotOne, nothing in the P&S, or Lev websites so far
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