Significant changes to NEC 2011 - ECN Electrical Forums

This is from GPHGravity (Brian Holland City of North Port)

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/SignificantChangestothe2011NEC.pdf

Bryan & Greg:

thank you!!

I just got an email from Amazon, '11 changes should be at my door 9/15/2010.

Nicely done and thanx

Brian is a very valuable resource here in SW Florida. He is getting his presentations certified by the state for CEU credit and usually they are free for IAEI meeting attendees. He is also a driving force in the IAEI. Quite a guy.
All the thanks go to him.

I don't mean to be demeaning, but where are the illustrations. I have been preparing my CEU 2011 Change course for approvals for the last two months. The state of Washington requires 200 questions and I have been building 200 illustrations, one for each question. It takes me up to 3 hours to build an illustration and many times I have to go looking for something to take a picture of. I just wished they had those digital cameras around when I did 4,000 inspections for the State of Alaska from 1988 to 1996. I have put 140 of my illustrations online in slide jpg format at http://www.electrician2.com/2011nec1/2011_nec_ifchanges/2011_nec_changes.html
I still have 60 to go.

Good stuff!

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Gerald, you are just given the references so you can look them up in your handbook. This is not intended as a way to sell CEUs.
This is a free guide, prepared by a guy who has a full time job running a building department.
The words "Gift" "Horse" Mouth" occur to me.

I printed it out and it didn't taste like candy at all. Jeez!

i found 406.4(D)(4)(2)in the 2011 rather interesting

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Yes, that is interesting reading....hmmmm!
Hopefully, P&S LeGrand gets the prototype out of the garage by early 2014 & the price is not too crazy.

Or, better still perhaps NJ & other states will not adopt the drop dead date!

Another plot to create a market for an item, as opposed to the other way around?

loud & clear HotOne

at first sniff, there appears to be an option via either a afci breaker OR receptacle

but then there's those multiwire circiuts that would dictate the afci receptacle

so all afci hand wringing aside, the powers that be have essentially created code for which exists no widget

at least that i can find....maybe i'm asking the wrong sources?

'cause i'll kinda need to, being Vermont is the afci mecca of the electrical universe, and they'll probably adopt the 11' in June, July here

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Even if you adopt the '11 mid year, the section you quoted is not effective till '14, correct? Or am I on the wrong page?

Yes, you're correct HotOne

but keep in mind Vermont adopted afci's via their state statues in the '99 cycle

we're crazy about 'em here....

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The elusive AFCI device prototype is a P&S Legrand item.
Have you checked with the Vermont P&S rep? I'm surprised that as you guys 'need' AFCI for 12 years P&S did not jump into the Vermont market.

They've been known to create Code rules for things that will be available sometime later.

Remember that the requirement for 'rated' boxes for ceiling fans came out before there were any 'rated' boxes on the market?

My feeling is these products exist when they are proposed but they are not through the testing/listing phase yet. I know Harvey Johnson (Cuttler Hammer)had a prototype AFCI in his garage at least a year before the first proposal was sent to NFPA. I gave him one of my old Tektronics 453 scopes and a current probe to play with. He was looking at different types of arc signatures. I think his son was working at the lab but Harv was working from his home in beautiful downtown Estero Florida.

Originally Posted by HotLine1

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The elusive AFCI device prototype is a P&S Legrand item.
Have you checked with the Vermont P&S rep? I'm surprised that as you guys 'need' AFCI for 12 years P&S did not jump into the Vermont market.

actually that's a good suggestion HotOne

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My feeling is these products exist when they are proposed but they are not through the testing/listing phase yet. I know Harvey Johnson (Cuttler Hammer)had a prototype AFCI in his garage at least a year before the first proposal was sent to NFPA. I gave him one of my old Tektronics 453 scopes and a current probe to play with. He was looking at different types of arc signatures. I think his son was working at the lab but Harv was working from his home in beautiful downtown Estero Florida.

I would love to hear Harvey's opinie on the afci, especially after a decade of evolution Greg

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Harvey passed a few years ago.

Condolences.....

it'd be like talking to a founding father about the constitution for me Greg

oh, and HotOne, nothing in the P&S, or Lev websites so far

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Now I'm wondering how a large mfg could miss the boat on a great sounding test market. Actual in the field evaluation!

Supposedly, from my source down in the great Garden State the proto has a UL approval. Keep in mind that is undocumented.

you mean, like the efficy of the afci HotOne? Or in the broader scope, any code change?

well, Vermont's been on the afci trail now for more than most states if i recall, by rights a fair study

further, i'd be curious just what these afci receptacle outlets are listed for , maybe some enlightenment on that hazy 1699 for the breakers?

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I originally heard all about the AFCI on thew way to a code update seminar by Jim Pauley in Punta Gorda (about an hour away). Harvey drove me up there and I met my wife there to go out to dinner afterward.
If I had known Jim was coming back with him I might have blown off the dinner

can anyone please tell me which code year Virginia is using in 2012? We typically run way behind many states.
thanks

Google search makes me think it's 2008 NEC.

Yes Va is using 2008