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Just because something is different doesn't make it bad ....

I've seen several of these water heaters fail. I've seen them wear out. I've seen them split. I've seen them rust through. What I've not seen is one that was not quite securely mounted.

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Originally Posted by renosteinke
Just because something is different doesn't make it bad ....

You obviously did not look at the picture... smile


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Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger
Typically European water heaters are watertight on the electrical part, enough to be mounted directly inside the shower or above the bath tub. In this case they are hard wired though with all other electrical stuff are outside the wet area. The heater itself is probably 220-240V 1500W. The socket and switch inside the shower are close to suicide though...


Instantaneous electric showers are common enough in the UK and Ireland (although I haven't seen them elsewhere in Europe)

The Irish wiring requirements for them are connection via a combined RCD/MCB (GFCI+Breaker) unit dedicated to that circuit only and not via the general RCB on the panel.

[Linked Image from housetohome.co.uk]

These units are typically 8 to 12kW

The 'wireless' electric shower is now increasingly popular though and it removes the heater pack out of the bathroom.

Personally, I much prefer the idea :

[Linked Image from tlc-direct.co.uk]

The shower in this case is located in the attic space above the bathroom

They also do wireless mixing valves to make installation of a shower easier without retiling [Linked Image from showerright.co.uk]

Can't say i'm a huge fan of these devices generally.

They were popularised in the UK and Ireland because many older houses did not have showers, rather they just had baths and they simplified the plumbing required to fit a shower.

That being said, they're perfectly safe as long as they're correctly installed.

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Not exactly instantaneous electric showers, but both traditional hot water tanks and tankless water heaters (usually 18 or 21kW, connected to 400V 32A) can be mounted very close to or even inside the shower. In Germany there is not even a requirement to have them RCD protected. In Austria tanks are usually connected to the general RCD (I don't know much about former TN areas where installs without RCD are still common, unlike the East where TT was always predominating), tankless electric are virtually unknown especially since there is virtually no service exceeding 35A 3 phase for single family homes or apartments, apartments (where such a heater might be of interest) usually even have only 25A single phase.

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