Thanks for Your reply LK , that was is what I found was the break even for me with no return. That is why now I have to learn how to make the business profitable, I will no longer give free estimates and screen calls for the best leads, also will attack and look for work instead of waiting by the phone. Here in Camden I am also competing with non license individuals, the state should make a sting operation for guys that do this for a living and do not bother to get there business license. There are about 3 hardware stores that people ask the owners for electricians and I have met the customer and gave my price they tell me i am to high That the other guy gave them a better price,they only have to apply for there permit and say that they are performing the work themselves,another one has a license holders sign of on the work. But me I am going to keep going and figure a way to get more good customers.