ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Potseal 11
Recent Posts
Permit Snafus...AHJs and Contractors Jump in
by sparky. 04/29/17 05:59 PM
201 volt equipment?
by bigpapa. 04/29/17 12:15 AM
Schneider LC1D09
by jraef. 04/28/17 11:05 PM
Electrode boilers question
by annemarie1. 04/27/17 01:40 PM
Why cables look like they do
by LongRunner. 04/26/17 09:36 AM
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Popular Topics(Views)
235,037 Are you busy
169,878 Re: Forum
163,068 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 85 guests, and 7 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#93331 - 05/16/05 11:55 AM Electrical grounding clamps and there use  
Joe Tedesco  Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,749
Boston, Massachusetts USA
From the field:

Quote
I have a question regarding electrical grounding clamps and there use.

Question: Can you use an aluminum grounding clamp on a bronze, brass, or copper grounding rod?

References in the 1999 NEC Article section 250-8, 250-10, and 250-70 covers grounding clamps and stipulates exothermic welding, listed clamps, pressure connectors, listed lugs, or other listed means. Also it states that grounding clamps shall be listed for the material of the grounding electrode.

Please provide me with your interpretation of the NEC code for the use of aluminum clamps use.

Thank you,

Robert


Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

2017 / 2014 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides

#93332 - 05/16/05 12:16 PM Re: Electrical grounding clamps and there use  
Roger  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,716
N.C.
Joe, 110.14. The clamps listing would then come in to play.

Roger


#93333 - 05/16/05 12:24 PM Re: Electrical grounding clamps and there use  
Alan Nadon  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 399
Elkhart, IN. USA
Not sure about the listing of clamps but, section 250-64 (A) should be checked if the aluminum is going to be used outdoors within 18 inches of the earth, also there are some other restrictions.

Alan--


Alan--
If it was easy, anyone could do it.

#93334 - 05/16/05 01:55 PM Re: Electrical grounding clamps and there use  
Roger  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,716
N.C.
Alan, 250.64(A) would not apply to the clamp. [Linked Image]

BTW, the references seem to be pre 2002 and I don't have access to any editions except 02 and 05 right now.

Roger

[This message has been edited by Roger (edited 05-16-2005).]


#93335 - 05/16/05 09:04 PM Re: Electrical grounding clamps and there use  
renosteinke  Offline
Cat Servant
Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,316
Blue Collar Country
I believe the general code cautions regarding "suitable for environment" and "dissimilar metals" come into play here. In other words, such a use is forbidden, due to the certainty of galvanic corrosion.
Remember, electricity takes ALL paths. Every ground rod has some current passing through it, in inverse relation to it's comparative resistance to the utility neutral.

I have never seen such a clamp made of aluminum. I question whether it is hard enough to 'bite' into the rod.


#93336 - 05/17/05 07:33 PM Re: Electrical grounding clamps and there use  
e57  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,876
S.F.,CA USA
I have only seen these for pipe in Al/NiCa/zink/tin? ( T-6 Al, I think), they are not "really" just Al, just look it.

Dont think I have seen that material for rods.


Mark Heller
"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason

#93337 - 05/17/05 07:34 PM Re: Electrical grounding clamps and there use  
e57  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,876
S.F.,CA USA


Mark Heller
"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason

#93338 - 05/17/05 09:45 PM Re: Electrical grounding clamps and there use  
renosteinke  Offline
Cat Servant
Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,316
Blue Collar Country
Thank you, e57....that link answers all my concerns, and I must say I'm surprised to see that it not only exists, but may be used on a copper rod..so brass or bronze ought not be a problem either.
Learn something new everyday....


#93339 - 05/17/05 10:05 PM Re: Electrical grounding clamps and there use  
gfretwell  Offline


Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,069
Estero,Fl,usa
I have some of those clamps and they are stamped for CU. I just thought they were a zinc alloy.
I guess they are doing wonders with aluminum these days.
I did get slapped around by roofers when I said al and cu were "dissimilar". I was told they have linear expansion rate problems but they don't eat each other.


Greg Fretwell


Member Spotlight
cookcc
cookcc
California ,Long Beach
Posts: 28
Joined: May 2007
Show All Member Profiles 
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.015s Queries: 14 (0.003s) Memory: 0.8023 MB (Peak: 0.9689 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-04-30 18:29:44 UTC