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Question for inspectors #90612
12/04/04 12:06 PM
12/04/04 12:06 PM
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JG  Offline OP
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Atr. 300.13-b Do you require all neutrals to be made up prior to a rough. I have noticed more and more not adhering to this practice, just stab and go.
JG

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Re: Question for inspectors #90613
12/04/04 12:12 PM
12/04/04 12:12 PM
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iwire  Offline
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North Attleboro, MA USA
Welcome to the forum JG.

I am not an inspector but I do get inspected. [Linked Image]

Here in MA all required splices must be made up prior to rough inspections.

The section you quoted only applies to the neutral of multiwire branch circuits so we do not have to splice the neutrals of two wire circuits.

Bob


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
Re: Question for inspectors #90614
12/04/04 12:29 PM
12/04/04 12:29 PM
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George Little  Offline
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Michigan USA
The code only requires that the multiwire branch circuit have "pigtail" connections on the grounded conductor so we don't interrupt the connection to the next outlet. Do it anytime you want to. As an inspector, I want to see it so maybe this will be on the final with the cover plates removed and the receptacles dangling so I can see that pigtail [Linked Image]
If I were an installer, I'd do it for inspection on the rough just from a practical approach. Same thing on a NM job, strip and splice out, terminate the grounds if using metal boxes. Not a code requirement but makes it easier for all of us.

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George Little
Re: Question for inspectors #90615
12/04/04 07:21 PM
12/04/04 07:21 PM
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George, if you don't mind my asking, just what do you really look for at the final? Do you check each and every device? Should they all be hanging out of the box? No cover plates? What about fixtures?
I have done very little new construction and have never been present at a final for new const., so this is why I ask.
Thanks, B

Re: Question for inspectors #90616
12/04/04 07:36 PM
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iwire  Offline
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I could fail a final inspection for a missing cover. [Linked Image]


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
Re: Question for inspectors #90617
12/04/04 07:50 PM
12/04/04 07:50 PM
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earlydean  Offline
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Griswold, CT, USA
Splices (especially grounding) are inspected at the rough inspection. How else can this be done? It is not a final inspection if the wires are hanging out of the boxes. Every receptacle is tested and every switch is checked at the final. I do ask the sparky to open the panel for a look at the final, though.


Earl
Re: Question for inspectors #90618
12/04/04 07:54 PM
12/04/04 07:54 PM
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harold endean  Offline
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Boonton, NJ
As Bob knows , I am an AHJ and it doesn't matter to me if the neutrals are made up in the circuit panel on the rough. Sometimes there is a service inspection between the rough and the final, and I can check the neutrals then. Last but not least, I can still chek out the neutrals at he final inspection. However I do want the neutrals all spliced up in the boxes on the rough inspection. ( Some homeowners don't know that and I fail the rough until they are made up.) On a final inspection I may not check each and every receptacle, but I do check between 80%-90% of all the receptacles in the house on final inspection. If I start seeing reverse polarity or open grounds, then I start checking each and every receptacle.

Re: Question for inspectors #90619
12/04/04 09:59 PM
12/04/04 09:59 PM
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George Little  Offline
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Michigan USA
On the residential rough inspection I would expect to find the splicing done and any metal boxes bonded on a Romex job and if were a multiwire branch circuit, the grounded conductor "pigtailed". On the final I would expect the circuits to be operational and do a random check with a plug-in tester to check for polarity. I check all AFCI and GFCI devices/breakers. If I run into any polarity issues I ask the contractor to check for polarity on all plugs. If the painter has removed the plates, I will not always cite a violation. I will quite often ask the contractor to open the panel for inspection. Panel ledger marking is a big issue with me. There are a number of things that I'm leaving out but I tried to mention the more common things. I WILL NOT make a punch list for the electrician to use so he knows exactly what he needs to get approval.


George Little
Re: Question for inspectors #90620
12/04/04 11:05 PM
12/04/04 11:05 PM
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JG  Offline OP
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If the device (recepticle)is able to be removed and disrupt the continuity of the neutral, would this not cover two wire circuits. In my state the state code requires all connections to be made up. Are these considered conections? Are recepticles rated as a line load device?(excluding gfi of course)
JG

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Re: Question for inspectors #90621
12/05/04 08:39 AM
12/05/04 08:39 AM
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PCBelarge  Offline
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Dobbs Ferry, NY, USA
I have noticed no one has mentioned lighting at the final inspection. [Linked Image]

Pierre


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