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Kitchen Receptacles #89276
09/08/04 02:47 PM
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George Little  Offline OP
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I am inspecting a commercial "Kitchen". The plans call it a "Warming Kitchen" There is no cooking performed in this room. Food is cooked off site and brought to this "Warming Kitchen" and stored in stainless steel cabinets that are the size of refrigerators. These cabinets (about 15 of them) are on wheels and have cords that plug in for warming or cooling. The room is about 50 feet square or for you metric guys 15m square. The question of the day is- Do I need to ask the contractor to comply with 210.8(B)?


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Re: Kitchen Receptacles #89277
09/08/04 03:56 PM
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Any dishwashers / scrub sinks?

Re: Kitchen Receptacles #89278
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(5.5 sq meters)

Re: Kitchen Receptacles #89279
09/08/04 05:01 PM
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I don't see a definition for a kitchen, but if your calling it a kitchen, I would say yes to 210-8(b).

Re: Kitchen Receptacles #89280
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From what I have read, the 2005 will define kitchen as "an area with a sink and permanant provisions for cooking".

I would base my decision off af that.


Ryan Jackson,
Salt Lake City
Re: Kitchen Receptacles #89281
09/08/04 05:46 PM
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how can you base an inspection on a definition that hasen't been published yet? The inspection has to be based on the code being enforced at the time of inspection. Unless the EC wants to wait until 2005.

Re: Kitchen Receptacles #89282
09/08/04 06:04 PM
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IMHO....
It seems to me that any place the code requires GFCI protection is a place where there is a likely opportunity that there is a chance to come in contact with only the hot conductor and another grounded surface as in metal water pipe, damp earth, concrete etc. If the likelyhood is not there I do not see a reason for the GFCI protection. So if this room has water proofed walls and wall covering with water proof floors and a floor drain and they intend to clean it with a hose..... Well, your the inspector! Please post back on your decision.

Re: Kitchen Receptacles #89283
09/08/04 06:43 PM
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George Little  Offline OP
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Okay, I've heard from the masses and I have decided that based on the definition of a kitchen as found in Websters "n : a room equipped for preparing meals" That this is not a kitchen. So based on the '02 Code, they don't need GFCI protection on the receptacles. This area as I discribed in my orginal post is only used to store food and maintain temperature of food either hot or cold.


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Re: Kitchen Receptacles #89284
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There is no cooking performed in this room.


Yeah. Right. When pigs fly.

Sounds to me like it's a kitchen.

Re: Kitchen Receptacles #89285
09/08/04 07:44 PM
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George Little  Offline OP
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The expression is "When donkeys fly"


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