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#88649 - 07/02/04 12:26 PM Standards Council Meeting  
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The NFPA Standards Council will be meeting on July 14, 2004 in San Francisco, CA to make a final decision on the items being appealed and the items sent back to the Code Making Panels. If you are interested in seeing what the panels have done with the items that were sent back, go here and choose items from the July 14 items. [Linked Image]


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#88650 - 07/02/04 02:00 PM Re: Standards Council Meeting  
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Thanks Charlie!

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#88651 - 07/06/04 11:29 AM Re: Standards Council Meeting  
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CharlieE,

Thanks for this link. Since I am, at the moment, primarily interested in what the 2005 NEC 210.12(B) will look like, I found it frustrating to find all the info as it is scattered over four downloads. I finally got over 38 (thirty eight) Megs downloaded, used WinZip, and read the documents.

The WinZipped files pertaining to 210.12(B) are:
Att 04-7-1-a-1.pdf
Att04-7-1-a-2.pdf
Att04-7-1-a-3.pdf
Att04-7-1-a-4.pdf
Att04-7-1-a-5.pdf
Att-7-1-a-6.pdf
Att04-7-1-a-7.pdf

None of these files are in "Attachments, Part 2" so you can skip it, saving an 8 MB download and extraction.

This is rather exciting. Nine more days to go until showtime at the July 14-16 Standards Council Meeting in San Francisco.

Al


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#88652 - 07/10/04 10:53 PM Re: Standards Council Meeting  
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Following provided by ElectricAl as those specific to AFCIs:

Att04-7-1-a-1.pdf > 1359KB PDF

Att04-7-1-a-2.pdf > 80KB PDF

Att04-7-1-a-3.pdf > 63KB PDF

Att04-7-1-a-4.pdf > 52KB PDF

Att04-7-1-a-5.pdf > 31KB PDF

Att04-7-1-a-6.pdf > 154KB PDF

Att04-7-1-a-7.pdf > 87KB PDF


#88653 - 07/13/04 05:45 PM Re: Standards Council Meeting  
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The NFPA Standards Council meeting starts tomorrow (Wed.) morning 8 AM PST.

First item on the printed agenda is the dust up over 210.12(B). [Linked Image]


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#88654 - 07/14/04 06:58 PM Re: Standards Council Meeting  
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Any word yet?


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#88655 - 07/17/04 11:27 AM Re: Standards Council Meeting  
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Bump.


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#88656 - 07/22/04 11:31 PM Re: Standards Council Meeting  
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The [b]Standards Council Appeals Decisions[/b] are available to read. [Linked Image]


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#88657 - 07/23/04 03:15 AM Re: Standards Council Meeting  
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A must admit that I'm having a little trouble decoding all the "accept the proposal to reject the acceptance of the rejection of the..." language. If I got it right, they voted not to extend AFCIs to all living areas, but they're going to vote on it again later? Can anybody confirm whether this is what they're actually trying to say?


#88658 - 07/23/04 08:49 AM Re: Standards Council Meeting  
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Sorry, you have to look at the way things are actually acted upon. For instance, during the Comment stage a comment may say, "Reject proposal 10-123." The panel votes to accept or reject the comment. Therefore, panel 10 accepts comment 10-90 to reject proposal 10-123." That same logic carries over to the Standards Council.

To answer your question, all of the appeals to overturn the panel action have failed except for one. This includes the attempt to require AFCI protection on all 15 and 20 ampere circuits. [Linked Image]


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