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"fill calculation" for recept. yoke #88161
05/18/04 06:32 PM
05/18/04 06:32 PM
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sparkync  Offline OP
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I'm doing a house where the homeowner wants everything done in # 12 wire. In figuring the fill calculations, is the entire duplex recept. counted as one yoke, or is each plug in counted as a yoke?? The code says to allow double for each yoke In other words using # 12 wire one duplex outlet would be considered as the following??
2.25 per conductor X 2 ( double for 1 yoke if whole recpt. is considered 1 yoke) = 4.5 cubic inch? Been a while since I had to figure it, and I have a brain freeze [Linked Image]
Thanks, Steve

Also I forgot one other thing. On the outside lighting, can you still use a switch box for the outside lighting if it is laid in brick, or does it have to be a light box. Seems like I remember an exception for this rule, that says you can use a switch box, but I'm not sure.. Thanks again.. Steve

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Re: "fill calculation" for recept. yoke #88162
05/18/04 06:36 PM
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Ryan_J  Offline
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The entire device is considered to be one yoke. For example, a single receptacle, a duplex, a triplex, a dimmer, a GFCI, a switch, these are all considered to be a single yoke and therefore a double volume allowance shall be made (2.25*2=4.5).


Ryan Jackson,
Salt Lake City
Re: "fill calculation" for recept. yoke #88163
05/19/04 10:12 AM
05/19/04 10:12 AM
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Brick, NJ USA
Steve:
Based on the NEC, yes one device (as Ryan stated) counts as two conductors, as you calculated.

The 'common sense' rules that I/we use allow for a little extra room for 'big' devices (GFI, dimmer, etc) Heck, a little extra room never hurts. 22/23 CI plastic new work, 1 gangs are the only 1-gangs we use. Comm is 4x4 deep, or need be a 3-1/2 device, gangable (gem).

With my AHJ hat on, you may be surprized how many 'bof-fill' red stickers are written.

John


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Re: "fill calculation" for recept. yoke #88164
05/19/04 03:34 PM
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CTwireman  Offline
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Why does the homeowner want everything in #12? Seems like a waste of money and resources to me. It's a misconception that wiring everything with #12 minimum is a better system.

Peter


Peter
Re: "fill calculation" for recept. yoke #88165
05/20/04 08:37 AM
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velect  Offline
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I believe switch boxes can be used for fixtures. As long as the fixture is 6 pounds or less.

Re: "fill calculation" for recept. yoke #88166
05/20/04 12:04 PM
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That applies to wall mounted fixtures only,(like your situation) just in case someone reads the last post and tries to hang a 5 pound light on the ceiling

Re: "fill calculation" for recept. yoke #88167
05/25/04 09:00 PM
05/25/04 09:00 PM
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sparkync  Offline OP
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Thanks for all the replies. Just now finding a little time to respond. In response to why the homeowner wants it done in #12 wire, is because the rest of his house is in #12. I agree, that # 12 is not necessarily better, especially on lights. Though it will carry more load, heat, etc., it can be damaging to residential switches if care is not taken, plus the overall fill in a box can be tougher on devices when pushing them back in the box etc.... But this is the way he wanted it, and he's the one paying.... I hope [Linked Image] I haven't got paid yet. Thanks again for all the responses. I decided to go with metal octagon boxes for the outside lights. He has bought a bunch of lights on sale, and I'm not sure what he's got to put out there. Steve [Linked Image]


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