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Kitchen counter tops #87042
01/16/04 07:27 PM
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Ryan_J  Offline OP
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Would you ask for GFCI protection for the area on the left (foreground)?

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Ryan Jackson,
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Re: Kitchen counter tops #87043
01/16/04 07:59 PM
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If I were homeowner--absolutely.

If I were AHJ--nope. It might be a good idea, but I don't think the NEC requires it here. Too far from the sink.

Re: Kitchen counter tops #87044
01/16/04 08:31 PM
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210.8(A)(6)specifies GFCI in kitchens where receptacles are installed to serve the countertop surfaces. Is this a countertop surface? Since "countertop surface" is not defined, could you call it a work surface or something else? Is this a part of the kitchen? Food for thought here.


John
Re: Kitchen counter tops #87045
01/16/04 08:50 PM
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Wirenut: Where in 21.8 is proximity to the sink addressed?

Electircman: Food for thought indeed. Thats why I posted it [Linked Image]

I think we can get some good conversation here.

BTW: Where does the kitchen end? Is it the passageway on the left? Is it the transition from the hardwood floor to the carpet?

Let me add that the material is the same as the countertop near the sink.


Ryan Jackson,
Salt Lake City
Re: Kitchen counter tops #87046
01/16/04 08:56 PM
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stamcon  Offline
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Ryan, it looks like a "desktop" to me.


Steve
Re: Kitchen counter tops #87047
01/16/04 08:59 PM
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Stamcon: I have no problem with your interpretation, but would the judge and jury have a problem with it if someone got killed? A human death is what got the requirement in commercial kitchens, as you know.


Ryan Jackson,
Salt Lake City
Re: Kitchen counter tops #87048
01/16/04 09:26 PM
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Quote by Ryan
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I think we can get some good conversation here.

Like the firehouse kitchen thread, huh? [Linked Image]


John
Re: Kitchen counter tops #87049
01/16/04 09:37 PM
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Ryan,

What do the Plans say that room is?

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Bill

Re: Kitchen counter tops #87050
01/16/04 09:41 PM
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Here's my take on this. If there is no code that would define a line (real or imaginary)
to separate this area from the kitchen, then by the open space alone, I'd consider it an extension of the kitchen by design.

Roger

Re: Kitchen counter tops #87051
01/16/04 10:01 PM
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Ryan, when the '99NEC specifies GFCI's on receptacles serving residential kitchen
"countertops" and not all kitchen receptacles, where do we draw the line for safety? Why not all receptacles in the house be GFCI and AFCI? When the NEC considers the kitchen, pantry, breakfast room and dining room as different rooms(small appliance circuits), who makes the call as to what the room is? What's stated on the plans?

steve


Steve
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