ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Potseal 11
Recent Posts
Why cables look like they do
by LongRunner. 04/26/17 09:36 AM
Dimmable LED 2x4 lay in fixtures
by HotLine1. 04/24/17 05:43 PM
Old decora style outlets
by Lostazhell. 04/22/17 07:59 PM
Permit Snafus...AHJs and Contractors Jump in
by gfretwell. 04/22/17 01:11 PM
How do you find a good employee?
by HotLine1. 04/22/17 10:44 AM
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Popular Topics(Views)
234,765 Are you busy
169,519 Re: Forum
162,801 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
1 registered members (gfretwell), 62 guests, and 8 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#86562 - 11/11/03 07:46 AM Is 110.12(C) violated when equipment is spray painted with graffiti?  
Joe Tedesco  Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,749
Boston, Massachusetts USA
Is 110.12(C) violated when equipment is spray painted with graffiti?

What if the label or nameplate is painted?

Quote
110.12(C) Integrity of Electrical Equipment and Connections. Internal parts of electrical equipment, including busbars, wiring terminals, insulators, and other surfaces, shall not be damaged or contaminated by foreign materials such as paint, plaster, cleaners, abrasives, or corrosive residues. There shall be no damaged parts that may adversely affect safe operation or mechanical strength of the equipment such as parts that are broken; bent; cut; or deteriorated by corrosion, chemical action, or overheating.


Do you work in areas where vandalism is a problem?

I can remember once when the service was completely torn off of a a building just after it was completed so that the equipment could be sold!

An inspector I once knew from Hoboken, NJ said he always asked the electrical contractor to be on the job the day they finished, so he could have the utility company hook it up!


Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

2017 / 2014 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides

#86563 - 11/11/03 08:04 AM Re: Is 110.12(C) violated when equipment is spray painted with graffiti?  
Redsy  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,056
Bucks County PA
The next time I get a new house job or a large addition where paint will be sprayed, I am going to stuff paper towels in the recessed cans to keep overspray out.
I tried to clean it off and it was very tedious without solvent.
Does anyone take the time to clean off this paint?


#86564 - 11/11/03 08:14 AM Re: Is 110.12(C) violated when equipment is spray painted with graffiti?  
ga.sparky56  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 558
young harris georgia usa
Pieces of insulation work pretty good to keep the paint out Redsy. We always stuff some in each can.

Russell


#86565 - 11/11/03 09:48 AM Re: Is 110.12(C) violated when equipment is spray painted with graffiti?  
Redsy  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,056
Bucks County PA
Thanks, ga.!


#86566 - 11/11/03 05:07 PM Re: Is 110.12(C) violated when equipment is spray painted with graffiti?  
Electricmanscott  Offline
Member
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,457
Holden, MA USA
I don't think vandals abide by the rules of the NEC, therefore graffiti on equipment is not a violation.


#86567 - 11/11/03 06:38 PM Re: Is 110.12(C) violated when equipment is spray painted with graffiti?  
Joe Tedesco  Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,749
Boston, Massachusetts USA
[Linked Image]

Found in Minneapolis, MN

[Linked Image]

No sure, I think this was taken in someone's home in Los Angeles?


Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

#86568 - 11/11/03 07:01 PM Re: Is 110.12(C) violated when equipment is spray painted with graffiti?  
pauluk  Offline
Member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 7,520
Norfolk, England
This reminds me of riding Amtrak into Chicago from the east. When I came in on that line in 1995 almost every trackside box along the Gary-Hammond-Whiting-Chicago corridor seemed to be covered with spray paint.

You see the same coming into London from Heathrow airport by train. [Linked Image]


#86569 - 11/11/03 08:02 PM Re: Is 110.12(C) violated when equipment is spray painted with graffiti?  
Speedy Petey  Offline
Member
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 173
Upstate, NY
If vandalism were <i>that</i> much of a problem I'D MOVE!

IMO it's the painters problem and responsibility to mask off anything that shouldn't get painted. In most cases they do.
If they are painting a boiler room do they just spray right over the boiler, circulators, etc.? No. Should we have to stuff insulation in every can and box instead of the painter doing his job? You would never catch me cleaning paint off the inside of a hi-hat. I'd call the painter and let him do it.


Speedy Petey

"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." -Albert Einstein

#86570 - 11/11/03 09:35 PM Re: Is 110.12(C) violated when equipment is spray painted with graffiti?  
ThinkGood  Offline
Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,081
Milwaukee, WI


#86571 - 11/12/03 06:58 AM Re: Is 110.12(C) violated when equipment is spray painted with graffiti?  
iwire  Offline
Moderator
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,391
North Attleboro, MA USA
I had to laugh when I saw this topic.

I had been emailing with Joe Tedesco and mentioned I installed a 3R panel outside on a Friday and it had graffiti on it by Monday morning. [Linked Image]

Joe sent me an email back with a link to here. [Linked Image]

For my particular case no NEC violations, the panel has absolutely no markings on the outside.

Luckily you need a key to open the door and see the nameplates.

The GC has since cleaned the graffiti and I imagine the panel will be painted to match the building finish. (at least till the next tagging) [Linked Image]

Bob


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Member Spotlight
watersparkfalls
watersparkfalls
Washington...Not DC
Posts: 216
Joined: March 2005
Show All Member Profiles 
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.019s Queries: 15 (0.003s) Memory: 0.8190 MB (Peak: 0.9952 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-04-27 01:17:13 UTC