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Important Changes for 2005 NEC? #86303
10/02/03 06:57 PM
10/02/03 06:57 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline OP
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Has anyone seen any Major Changes that seem to have been approved for the 2005 NEC?

Bill

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Re: Important Changes for 2005 NEC? #86304
10/02/03 07:11 PM
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Bill: I dont think this is major, but the change to add caloric energy to article 110.16 is one that I believe most electricians will struggle with. Either that or the manufacturers might be able to address it from the plant with factory installed labels. If the manufacturers do it, you may see some happy electricians.


Ryan Jackson,
Salt Lake City
Re: Important Changes for 2005 NEC? #86305
10/02/03 07:27 PM
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Also, the change to allow rounding up to the next standard OCPD rating up to 1600A could save electricians a lot of money. I often refuse services during plan review that want to use (3) parrallel 500KCMIL's for their 1200A service. This change seems to be going full steam ahead according to Charlie the utility guy, who is on the CMP of art.240


Ryan Jackson,
Salt Lake City
Re: Important Changes for 2005 NEC? #86306
10/02/03 07:50 PM
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Alright, I'm going to keep going until somebody tells me to shut up!

The definition of the word kitchen will help enforcement of 210.8. IMO, it will include break rooms in a business occupancy.

Also, the deletion of article(s) 3xx.10, uses permitted is a step in the right direction.

210.8 for the addition of GFCI's in other than dwelling units for outdoor receptacles accessible to the public is a HUGE change, IMO. (I guess we don't care to protect "other than the public though).

If you are interested in the 2005 NEC, IAEI has a GREAT slide show of ROP'S at their site, http://www.iaei.org/anniversary.htm

If you've never used power point before, open that link, download it, run it and push F5 to start it. ENJOY!



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Ryan Jackson,
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Re: Important Changes for 2005 NEC? #86307
10/02/03 09:14 PM
10/02/03 09:14 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline OP
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210.8 for the addition of GFCI's in other than dwelling units for outdoor receptacles accessible to the public is a HUGE change, IMO. (I guess we don't care to protect "other than the public though).
Was that discussed in Orlando? Just wondering what viewpoints were brought up on this if it was.

Bill

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Re: Important Changes for 2005 NEC? #86308
10/02/03 09:17 PM
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Nothing about which way is "up" when installing a receptacle?

Ducking and running...

Re: Important Changes for 2005 NEC? #86309
10/03/03 10:37 AM
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We need to be careful here. The 2005 code is not set in stone at this time. I've seen proposals that were unanimously accepted in the ROP be unanimously in the ROC, and some changes are even made on the floor at the May meeting where the code is adopted by the NFPA.
Don


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Re: Important Changes for 2005 NEC? #86310
10/03/03 02:16 PM
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I for one do not like the proposed definition of kitchen for 2005. It is too vague and will only be a problem as I read it.

Panel Meeting Action: Accept in principle

Kitchen: An area used, or designated to be used, for the preparation of food.
1-114 p.105 of the ROP

The proposal for a neutral is also something I do not like.
1-122 p. 118 0f the ROP

Panel Meeting Action;Accept in Principle

Neutral Conductor: A conductor, other than a grounding conductor, that is connected to the common point if a wye connection in a polyphase system or the point of a symmetrical system which is normally at zero voltage.

They are adding an FPN to Qualified Person.
1-130 p.123

Pierre


Pierre Belarge
Re: Important Changes for 2005 NEC? #86311
10/03/03 02:34 PM
10/03/03 02:34 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline OP
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Don,

Can you give an example(s) of things that have been changed at the 11th hour?

Bill

Re: Important Changes for 2005 NEC? #86312
10/03/03 05:30 PM
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Bill,

I agree with Don.

With-out looking in the ROP's and the TCR's that I have since 1986 , there has been many cases as Don has noted.

I have made several proposals over the code cycle years and a very few have been accepted.

Noted the complete reversal of several CMP decisions between the Proposal stage and the actual NEC when printed.

I think it is impossible for anyone working a job would have time to read each proposal and to make comments in the short time to do so.

Get busy and make comments on any of the proposals, but you've got about 28 days to do so and less if you use the USPS.

Gwz

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