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#85578 - 07/15/03 06:06 PM Permanently Installed Pool  
chick  Offline
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hi,
is a pool located above ground or partially in the ground that has a depth greater than 42" and a length greater than 18' considered a "permanently installed pool"? i think it is.

i also think that a plug and cord connected motor of less than 1 h.p. can not use a 20A plug end.

i also think that the cord can not be longer than 3' for a permanently installed pool.

i also think that the outlet for this pump/motor can not be fed from an exisitng RECEPTACLE and must come from a panelboard. that the outlet can not be any closer than 5' if it meets all the requirements..

i also think that the feeder must be installed in conduit and can not be installed using UF cable.

i also think that the convenience (required) outlet CAAN be fed by a UF cable and CAN be tapped from an exisitng outlet.

I also think that ALL METAL parts of this "permantly installed" above ground pool MUST be GROUNDED. this pool has metal supports/braces all around and a metal ladder and pool walls!

these are just a few of the rules! i doubt many pool shops can be aware of all the rules. they try not to tell the customer what is really involved electrically so that they do not lose a sale. then the ec has to take all the flack because said homeowner doesnt want to pay $600 to have the pool hooked up by a qualified person.

there are pool companies here giving electrical advice and costing electrical contractors money.

i say they need to stick to selling pools and stay out of the electrical side of it.

anybody have any thoughts on the subject?

sincerely,

chick & frodo


[This message has been edited by chick (edited 07-15-2003).]


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#85579 - 07/15/03 07:31 PM Re: Permanently Installed Pool  
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Here's another thread on pools that may be of interest:
https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002814.html


#85580 - 07/15/03 08:23 PM Re: Permanently Installed Pool  
Bill Addiss  Offline
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Chick,

Same thing with Hot Tubs. They want to sell the model with the 240v Heater and the extra pumps but don't mention that the customer may need a service upgrade to get it installed properly.

I stopped giving estimates on Pools and Hot Tubs long ago.

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