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Raintight EMT #85515
07/12/03 06:46 AM
07/12/03 06:46 AM
electure  Offline
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Fullerton, CA USA
I've just found out that EMT compression fittings, which I've always considered to be "raintight," aren't listed for that use at this time.
Has anyone stopped using them for this purpose???...S

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Re: Raintight EMT #85516
07/12/03 08:56 AM
07/12/03 08:56 AM
Tom  Offline
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Shinnston, WV USA
Not me. What are we supposed to do, use GRC or make an ugly looking PVC installation?

I've torn out quite a few outdoor EMT installations & I don't recall seeing any evidence that the connectors & couplings leaked. Of course, one man's experience is limited & this could be a real problem elsewhere.


Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Re: Raintight EMT #85517
07/12/03 10:16 AM
07/12/03 10:16 AM
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NJwirenut  Offline
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I use them outdoors, as well, and have never had a problem or been red-tagged by an inspector for it.

On a vertical run (like a service riser), I will often smear a bit of RTV around the top compression nut as added insurance against leaks.

Re: Raintight EMT #85518
07/12/03 10:55 AM
07/12/03 10:55 AM
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Roger  Offline
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Since this came about, I have wondered what caused UL to rescind it's original listing of these fittings. It seems like this could be a credibility awakening for some of their other listings. [Linked Image]

I mean, why did this just happen out of the blue, did they decide they had low water pressure the day they originally tested these way back when? [Linked Image]

Roger

Re: Raintight EMT #85519
07/12/03 02:17 PM
07/12/03 02:17 PM
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This may be old information, but http://tnbelectricalworld.tnb.com/contractor/docs/tbhazardous.pdf seems to call out raintight up to 2 inch, but a few other catalogs do not.

2½-4 inch compression-ring EMT fittings have generally not been raintight listed. A notable exception were fittings for 2½-4 inch EMT so marked, and furnished with a plainly visible rubber boot.

There are a number of ‘raintight’ hits in http://www.steelconduit.org/pdf/ConGuide4.3.pdf

Re: Raintight EMT #85520
07/12/03 08:09 PM
07/12/03 08:09 PM
electure  Offline
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Bjarney, Currently UL does not list any EMT fittings as raintight..Looks like we're all in a heck of a lot of trouble.
This is ridiculous. Failures are generally caused in the terminations...S

Re: Raintight EMT #85521
07/12/03 08:29 PM
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I agree with Tom. PVC can get pretty seedy looking outside on a building surface.

Don't "W-" and "W-2"-rated conductors buy you anything used outdoors?

Re: Raintight EMT #85522
07/12/03 09:59 PM
07/12/03 09:59 PM
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ThinkGood  Offline
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Currently UL does not list any EMT fittings as raintight


I thought EMT was not listed for outdoor use--only "rigid" conduit?

Re: Raintight EMT #85523
07/13/03 08:32 AM
07/13/03 08:32 AM
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Roger  Offline
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Go here for UL's report.
http://www.ul.com/regulators/raintight.html

Roger

Re: Raintight EMT #85524
07/14/03 08:59 AM
07/14/03 08:59 AM
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JBD  Offline
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Does any one know what part of the connector failed? The connector to box? or the connector to conduit?

Thomas and Betts technical support said that the use of a seperate sealing washer would be suffcient to meet the raintight requirements.

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