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Why are Tubs different? #85197
06/05/03 09:04 PM
06/05/03 09:04 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline OP
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Why are the rules regarding fixtures and devices around Bathtubs, Hot Tubs and Pools so different?

Example: No outlet allowed within X feet of Hot Tub or Pool, but one can be right next to the Bath Tub. Same with Light Fixtures.

Why is that?

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Re: Why are Tubs different? #85198
06/05/03 09:40 PM
06/05/03 09:40 PM
HotLine1  Offline

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Bill:
Could it be that there are different code "panels" that take care of the items??

That has been a puzzling question that I have had discussions about over the years, and still don't have a logical answer,

Let's see what your thread generates. How about a reply, Joe or Don??

John


John
Re: Why are Tubs different? #85199
06/05/03 11:26 PM
06/05/03 11:26 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline OP
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John,

I thought that might be a possible answer too.
I just don't know.

We talk about there not being any code against mounting a sconce over a Bathtub, or reguiring GFCI protection for anything in 'its 'zone'. Why is that? I thought it might have been a loophole, an oversight, but why wasn't it fixed over the years?

Anybody have any answers?

Bill

Re: Why are Tubs different? #85200
06/06/03 05:54 AM
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I think that, especially with the "pre-McMansion" era bathrooms, it was not possible to get a 10' clearance for a receptacle. As far as light fixtures, the rule for pools probably has to do with the possibility of contacting a light fixture with a long aluminum vacuum or hand skimmer pole.

Re: Why are Tubs different? #85201
06/06/03 09:28 AM
06/06/03 09:28 AM
Bill Addiss  Offline OP
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Redsy,

Ok, the long metal pole angle was one I hadn't thought of... This wouldn't help explain the differences between Hot Tubs and Bath Tubs though.

Bill

Re: Why are Tubs different? #85202
06/06/03 10:42 AM
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Bill,
I think Hot Tubs are grouped with Pools for simplicity(?). The similarities in potential hazards (usually located outdoors, barefeet on grass or concrete) probably wouldn't justify a whole different set of rules for Hot Tubs than for Pools. (I can imagine someone getting out from the Hot Tub or Pool to chance a burned out lamp, or plug in a radio while still wet and standing on grass or a patio).
Both are separate from bath tubs.

Re: Why are Tubs different? #85203
06/06/03 11:41 AM
06/06/03 11:41 AM
Bill Addiss  Offline OP
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Redsy,

For arguments sake, lets compare indoor Hot tub installations with Bathtubs.

Bill

Re: Why are Tubs different? #85204
06/06/03 10:03 PM
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Maybe it is the fact that users of pools and hot tubs are much more likely to be using alcohol or similar mind numbing drugs than the user of a bathtub and therefore need more protection.
Don


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Re: Why are Tubs different? #85205
06/06/03 10:19 PM
06/06/03 10:19 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline OP
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Don,

I can't argue with that!
[Linked Image]

This guy used to think it was handy that he could adjust the fan and light while sitting in the Tub

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I gotta say Don, it seems like you're using those Smiley guys a bit more lately. [Linked Image] [Linked Image]

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Bill

[This message has been edited by Bill Addiss (edited 06-06-2003).]

Re: Why are Tubs different? #85206
06/14/03 06:50 PM
06/14/03 06:50 PM
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I always imagined the differences had something to do with practicallity (you really never blowdry your hair out by the pool), or perhaps it is the frequency of accidents that shape code policy and evolution.

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