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What is neat and workmanlike? #81263
08/01/02 05:04 PM
08/01/02 05:04 PM
Joe Tedesco  Offline OP
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110.12 Mechanical Execution of Work.

Electrical equipment shall be installed in a neat and workmanlike manner.

What does this mean to a "Qualified Person?

I try to be sure that the installation is done right the first time!


Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant
2017 / 2014 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides
Re: What is neat and workmanlike? #81264
08/01/02 05:32 PM
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jlhmaint  Offline
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Fredericktown, OH, U.S.A
To me it means "TAKE PRIDE IN YOUR WORK" no matter were you are working make it look like it was done for a palace. Remeber your work is a direct reflection of you. Every time we bring a machine tool to our building from the corporate shop i cant believe some of the wireing the veteran maint guys do. no pride in there work.

Re: What is neat and workmanlike? #81265
08/01/02 06:11 PM
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sparky  Offline
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true jlhmaint,
yet to a 'qualified' person the neatest job may incorporate the worst 'workmanlike' electrical design.....

Re: What is neat and workmanlike? #81266
08/01/02 06:12 PM
08/01/02 06:12 PM
HotLine1  Offline

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Brick, NJ USA
Oh Well, here goes:
Neat and workmanlike should mean that the job was done professionally, and LOOKS it.
Level, square, plumb, straight, etc., etc.

Pride in your work? That's my company policy
Do it right the first time? Definitley.
There's some shoddy work around, and it's to bad that it reflects on the trade in general.
HotLine1
John


John
Re: What is neat and workmanlike? #81267
08/01/02 06:34 PM
08/01/02 06:34 PM
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Ron  Offline
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White Plains, NY
Reprinted from the neca site.
The American National Standards Institute (ANSI) has approved NECA 1-2000, Standard Practices for Good Workmanship in Electrical Construction. Envisioned as the ‘centerpiece’ of the National Electrical Installation Standards series of publications, NECA 1 defines what is meant by installing equipment in a “neat and workmanlike manner” as required by the National Electrical Code, Section 110-12.

Subjects covered include receiving, storing, and protecting construction materials on site, properly mounting and supporting electrical equipment, installing raceways and conductors, and Americans with Disability Act Guidelines (ADAG) for locating electrical products and systems. NECA 1 is the sixth NEIS to receive ANSI approval. It will be available for purchase in August.


Ron
Re: What is neat and workmanlike? #81268
08/01/02 08:26 PM
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The Watt Doctor  Offline
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I agree with all that was stated above. Let me throw another twist into this mix. Neat and workmanlike is defined by the inspector who passes or fails the installation. When an installation passes inspection, it is by virtue of that fact, neat and workmanlike. We all know that any self respecting inspector would never pass an installation that wasn't up to code (neat and workmanlike). It is also the electrician who installs the work. Here in Texas, as many of you may know, there is not a state license for electricians. Therefore, many areas don't have an AHJ. In those areas with no inspections, the electricians define what is neat and workmanlike.

Neatly,
Doc


The Watt Doctor
Altura Cogen
Channelview, TX
Re: What is neat and workmanlike? #81269
08/02/02 01:42 PM
08/02/02 01:42 PM
sparky66wv  Offline
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West Virginia
Oh the venerable 110.12...

It was the first code I memorized as an apprentice, and became my favorite (and least favorite) quote in the entire book.

The subjectivity of the wording lends to all sorts of interpretation, and if the AHJ was in a particularly bad mood that day, any installation could fail 110.12 .

There's nothing more that I could add, but that I'm glad to see the quotes and better explanations of this.

I even asked an inspector once if he was going to bust me on 110.12 for having my conduit a little skewed... He just looked at me for a moment with an odd look on his face, and said "Nah..."

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-Virgil
Residential/Commercial Inspector
5 Star Inspections
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Re: What is neat and workmanlike? #81270
08/03/02 07:47 AM
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sparky  Offline
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Quote
and said "Nah..."


as opposed to?
!!OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

yer far to self-critiqing my friend....


'Neat & Workmanlike" , IMHO, is when other electricians say 'oooh!'

Re: What is neat and workmanlike? #81271
08/03/02 12:03 PM
08/03/02 12:03 PM
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pauluk  Offline
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Norfolk, England
I had a problem with some PVC conduit in a garage/home workshop a few weeks ago.

I carefully fitted the spacer saddles in line with the brickwork across the end extension and installed the conduit nicely parallel with the joints. When I stood back and looked at it from a distance the conduit (white) was obviously sloping downhill.

The problem was that the brickwork was not horizontal. If I adjusted the conduit with a spirit level to get it dead horizontal, it looked fine from a distance, but up close it looked bad because it didn't line up withe the brickwork.

No way to win on that one!

Re: What is neat and workmanlike? #81272
08/03/02 03:27 PM
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golf junkie  Offline
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York, NE
Pauluk,

When I run into situations like you describe, all too often I might add, I always follow the building lines. It's likely no one will ever put a level on your pipework, but if it looks crooked to the eye everyone can see it.

JMO
GJ

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