ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Potseal 11
Recent Posts
Dimmable LED 2x4 lay in fixtures
by Potseal. 04/23/17 07:18 PM
Old decora style outlets
by Lostazhell. 04/22/17 07:59 PM
Permit Snafus...AHJs and Contractors Jump in
by gfretwell. 04/22/17 01:11 PM
How do you find a good employee?
by HotLine1. 04/22/17 10:44 AM
Electrode boilers question
by SteveFehr. 04/21/17 08:32 AM
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Popular Topics(Views)
234,646 Are you busy
169,329 Re: Forum
162,664 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 40 guests, and 9 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#81217 - 07/24/02 10:51 PM Commercial Kitchen GFCI  
arseegee  Offline
Member
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 324
Statesboro, GA USA
210.8 B(3) - To what extent should this rule be applied. Would this cover refrigeration too? Stand up coolers and prep tables with refridgeration? There's no exception like 210.8 A (excptn #2). Can anyone shine some light.

[This message has been edited by arseegee (edited 07-25-2002).]


2017 / 2014 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides

#81218 - 07/25/02 06:07 PM Re: Commercial Kitchen GFCI  
HotLine1  Offline


Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,808
Brick, NJ USA
Arseegee:
Looks like no one wants to touch this???
Basically, I can tell you how I handle this situation, with no problems from the various AHJ's.
If it's in a comm kitchen, and it's above a counter, table, etc., it is a GFI
The counters with refrig, we mount a eceptacle behind the unit (single) that is NEC conformant.
A "dedicated" outlet for a device that is intended to stay plugged-in all the time again, is a single receptacle. Where two items plug-in, it's a gfi.
Had no problems since 1986 with the above layout. Resturants, Diners, Country Club Kitchens, etc.

HotLine1
John


John

#81219 - 07/25/02 06:52 PM Re: Commercial Kitchen GFCI  
arseegee  Offline
Member
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 324
Statesboro, GA USA
Thanks John.

I'm with you on that. I have not done a commercial kitchen from the 2002 code but have two to do this month. And my city inspector just retired so I'll have a newbie busting my chops. I'll discuss it with him and let you know. The NEC could be a bit more clear on this rule I think.


#81220 - 07/25/02 07:20 PM Re: Commercial Kitchen GFCI  
Bill Addiss  Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,878
NY, USA
In the 2002 NEC there is no exception or allowance for single receptacles for dedicated equipment in Commercial Kitchens. Talk to your AHJ though and see what he says. If you have to use a GFCI receptacle I would put it where it is easily reachable or else use a GFCI CB.

Bill


#81221 - 07/25/02 07:40 PM Re: Commercial Kitchen GFCI  
arseegee  Offline
Member
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 324
Statesboro, GA USA
Bill,

My concern is electrostatic build up on the refridgeration compressors causing nuisance tripping. Would hate to have to restock a big cooler full of goodies out of my pocket. Your thoughts?


#81222 - 07/25/02 07:49 PM Re: Commercial Kitchen GFCI  
Bill Addiss  Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,878
NY, USA
I know what you mean and I don't like it personally. At any rate, you should make the owner aware that it is not your decision to make.

If it's not an oversight of the CMP it seems that the objection is to the outlet itself, not the equipment. There is no mention of GFCI being required for hardwired equipment BTW.

Bill

[This message has been edited by Bill Addiss (edited 07-25-2002).]


#81223 - 09/17/02 11:48 PM Re: Commercial Kitchen GFCI  
John Steinke  Offline
Member
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 518
Reno,Nv., USA
Look at the bright side: Next year, new UL standards will take effect that include mandating that GFI's be more resistant to nuisance trips from refrigerators, etc. Leviton is already selling their "new" version.



Member Spotlight
lil suzi
lil suzi
Midwest
Posts: 57
Joined: August 2003
Show All Member Profiles 
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.012s Queries: 14 (0.002s) Memory: 0.7831 MB (Peak: 0.9349 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-04-24 09:31:59 UTC