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250.8 #80914
06/11/02 07:33 PM
06/11/02 07:33 PM
sparky66wv  Offline OP
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This was found in a bag of S-C-GS-1's (#10x32 ground screws with 1/4" hex heads)...

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Doesn't the last sentence in 250.8 prohibit this?

"...Sheet metal screws shall not be used to connect grounding conductors to enclosures."

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Floor sweepin's ended up in the wrong box before they got painted??? Got me...


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Re: 250.8 #80915
06/11/02 08:17 PM
06/11/02 08:17 PM
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Bjarney  Offline
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Musta' been "product waste-reduction week" on the miscellaneous green-dyed screw bulk packaging asssitant inspection team.

An email might get a case of good ones on your doorstep. [Yeah, just what you wanted...exchange it for the cheese wheel.]

Re: 250.8 #80916
06/11/02 10:49 PM
06/11/02 10:49 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline
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Virgil,

Some difference in resolution there guy!

Much better!

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Re: 250.8 #80917
06/11/02 11:12 PM
06/11/02 11:12 PM
sparky66wv  Offline OP
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Yep, finally got a macro!

2.1 Mega Pixel...

More pix to come!!!


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Re: 250.8 #80918
06/11/02 11:29 PM
06/11/02 11:29 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline
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Virgil,

Hmm, I double-posted somehow ...
2.1 is good, I got a new one recently too, a 2.3 I think (Ricoh) still haven't had the time to investigate all the features.

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Re: 250.8 #80919
06/12/02 12:18 AM
06/12/02 12:18 AM
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amp-man  Offline
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I'm thinking that this is a relic from the past...it was only a few cycles ago that sheet metal screws were prohibited.

Like the occasional letter from 50 years ago that gets delivered with today's mail, could this screw have been trapped in a bin for 10 years, and just fallen loose?

Cliff

Re: 250.8 #80920
06/13/02 10:31 PM
06/13/02 10:31 PM
sparky66wv  Offline OP
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Sounds like a good theory to me!

Does anyone remember these being sold as grounding screws?


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Re: 250.8 #80921
06/14/02 03:40 AM
06/14/02 03:40 AM
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pauluk  Offline
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Why were sheet-metal screws removed as an acceptable method of grounding?

Lack of contact area to metal to clear a high-current fault? Possibility of working loose?

Re: 250.8 #80922
06/14/02 06:06 AM
06/14/02 06:06 AM
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sparky  Offline
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Paul,
i think many were simply using sheet rock screws....

Re: 250.8 #80923
06/14/02 06:11 AM
06/14/02 06:11 AM
Joe Tedesco  Offline
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Yes, the proposal was sent in by an electrical inspector in Madison, Wisconsin and his substantiation indicated that sheet metal screws were unreliable when used to secure an equipment grounding conductor to the enclosure. The code uses the term "means provided" in many areas, when the rule covers the termination of the EGC. This "means provided" is usually a threaded hole, or other termination where "GR" or "GRND" will be engraved in the metal.


Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

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