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Federal Pacific circuit breakers #7969
03/03/02 02:36 PM
03/03/02 02:36 PM
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Josh  Offline OP
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Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 2
Florida
I’m new to the board so my apologies in advance if I hit on a topic already discussed. I am in the process of helping a friend wire in his Spa when I discovered he had an Federal Pacific electric panel with “stab loc: type circuit breakers. I have seen many articles on the web stating that these circuit breakers fail to trip on over current conditions and are fire hazards. I’d like to solicit your opinions on Federal Pacific breakers. Are they a problem? Should my friend have them replaced?

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Re: Federal Pacific circuit breakers #7970
03/03/02 04:08 PM
03/03/02 04:08 PM
Tom  Offline
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Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,044
Shinnston, WV USA
FPE breakers, in the opinion of many, are to be avoided at all costs. They should be pounded into dust, preferably using a very large hammer (power off, of course).

I always recommend replacement of the entire panelboard when I run across this brand. Besides, the premium price that you will pay for a couple of breakers, especially 2 pole, will almost buy a new 100 amp panel. I can imagine what you'll pay for a GFI breaker for one of these panels.

Jerk the panel out, junk it and we'll all sleep better knowing that another one has bit the dust.

Tom


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Re: Federal Pacific circuit breakers #7971
03/03/02 04:17 PM
03/03/02 04:17 PM
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CTwireman  Offline
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Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 840
Connecticut, USA
Tom said it all. Junk the panel

A 2 pole FPE GFI for a spa will be hideously expensive, if you can find one.


Peter
Re: Federal Pacific circuit breakers #7972
03/03/02 06:54 PM
03/03/02 06:54 PM
sparky66wv  Offline
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Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,236
West Virginia
I "third" the motion...

Trash 'em.


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Re: Federal Pacific circuit breakers #7973
03/03/02 08:33 PM
03/03/02 08:33 PM
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circuit man  Offline
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Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 273
saluda,s.c.
i agree with the guys, JUNK IT. i have one in my house , belive it or not they actually trip. real old panel. but my neighbor had one. he wanted to run 230 to his shop, after looking at the price of a new 20 circuit panel& all the brekers we needed to replace,we still come out cheaper.it seems the reason there so high is there was a class action lawsuit against them in the 80's. the reason i say this is because i saw the memo.again just throw that junk away & put in a quality panel, that way both you & your friend can sleep better at night.ERWIN

Re: Federal Pacific circuit breakers #7974
03/03/02 08:57 PM
03/03/02 08:57 PM
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motor-T  Offline
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Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 280
Girard, Ohio, USA
To All:
I agree with all the posts above, but I saw a scary advertisement in either EC&M or CEE. It shows a picture of Air-Force One, and the caption says, and I paraphrase, Protected by Federal Pacific if that isnt down right frightening I dont know what is.
Mark

Re: Federal Pacific circuit breakers #7975
03/03/02 09:33 PM
03/03/02 09:33 PM
sparky66wv  Offline
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Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,236
West Virginia
I'm not sure, but Federal Pacific Electric and this "new" Federal Pacific may not be the same company, and if they're not, their marketing team needs to be replaced...

Change your name or live with the reputation...

<disclaimer> Just MHO </disclaimer>


-Virgil
Residential/Commercial Inspector
5 Star Inspections
Member IAEI
Re: Federal Pacific circuit breakers #7976
03/04/02 07:05 AM
03/04/02 07:05 AM
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Redsy  Offline
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Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,056
Bucks County PA
See also link titled "FPE Policy" dated 1-7-02

Re: Federal Pacific circuit breakers #7977
03/04/02 09:37 AM
03/04/02 09:37 AM
J
Josh  Offline OP
Junior Member
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 2
Florida
Thanks for the info! You guys are right: It is hard as hell to get a FPE GFI circuit breaker. I don’t know the cost yet because I haven’t been able to locate one! I will pass the info on to my friend before he purchases a Pacific Federal circuit breaker.

Re: Federal Pacific circuit breakers #7978
03/04/02 11:27 AM
03/04/02 11:27 AM
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mamills  Offline
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Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 745
Wharton, Texas, USA
Hi, Josh.
I used to have a Federal Pacific in my house, and I'll admit, never had a moment's trouble with it. I starting reading some of the comments these guys wrote, then began having trouble sleeping at night, worrying about the possibility of a fire. I tossed the Federal Pacific a few months ago and installed a new Square D in its place. Cost not withstanding, it's nice to have something that you can depend on to function when it has to.
You and your friend would be well advised to upgrade to a better panel. In addition to losing the Federal Pacific, I would strongly advise staying away from Zinsco. In my years in the fire service, I have been to several calls related to Zinsco failures.

Glad to have you here!

Mike (mamills)

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